Former Apple guy: ‘Apple’s approach to the web has been a clusterf*ck’

Former Apple guy: ‘Apple’s approach to the web has been a clusterf*ck’Californian manufacturer Apple clearly gets a lot of things right, primarily when it comes to product design and marketing. People just want Apple goodies.

But it’s far from infallible, with iTunes standing out as the classic Apple bugbear, and now a former Apple engineer has described their various web-based ventures as nothing short of “a mess”. Oh dear.

Patrick B. Gibson has let rip in a post on his Tumblr-based blog, explaining - among other things - why he thinks Apple should be worried about Google.

Specifically, as observed by one of Patrick’s colleagues: “Google is getting better at design faster than Apple is getting better at web services.”

We’re given several examples of Apple problems, including its apparent inability to update its online store without taking it offline first, iOS game Letterpress recently bringing down Game Center, and iTunes and the App Store running on “a mostly dead framework” that’s almost 20 years-old.

Gibson goes on to echo the suggestion that Apple should acquire twitter, a move that has been speculated muchly of late. It makes perfect sense to Pat.

“Where Apple falls short, Twitter flies. Not only does Twitter use some of the most advanced web technology, they invented it. They own scale. They know how to send hundreds of thousands of tweets a minute. Further, Twitter is social network with values that (used to) reflect Apple: focus and simplicity.

“Apple should buy Twitter not for its social network, but for its talent and technology. That talent and technology could undoubtably help bring Apple and iCloud into the 21st century.”

Apple stock continues to take a bit of a beating, after hitting a record high in September prior to the iPhone 5 launch. There are concerns over shrinking iDevice profits as costs increase and competition intensifies, and of course there’s the loss of Steve Jobs.

Heck, some even suggest Apple should be worried about Windows Phone 8…

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JanSt / MOD  Nov. 24, 2012 at 17:27

Apple. Dead.
I have actually no idea what that guy wants? Google+?
I wish Google Microsoft, Apple, Nokia etc etc would get their feet out of the cloud and deliver the OSs and hardware that serve it. I'm fed up setting up phones... no, I don't want to set up DropBox; not iCloud, either...and this that and the other...

Apps that let me edit photos and upload to Twitter, Farcebook and sites I never heard of, but I can't save the photo to the gallery ON MY PHONE? Get outta here.

matt101101 / MOD  Nov. 24, 2012 at 17:43

I'm fed up setting up phones
An event "normal" people do every two years, borrowing a new phone every couple of weeks isn't the normal way to use phones, is it? Setting up phones might be a pain, but the average person:

a) Doesn't know nearly as much about phones as me or you, therefore may well actually want to have a well explained, if a little lengthy, set-up procedure.
b) Only does it once every two years and the 5 mins it takes them, they're unlikely to care about because they've got a new, shiny toy.

I think you're somewhat overreacting to a problem the average mobile phone user won't even notice.

On a side note, I agree with the bloke. When you compare, for example, how much Android's design has improved in the past two years to how much Apple have improved iTunes in the same time period, his point becomes quite clear. I don't think anyone is suggesting that this'll be the death of Apple, merely that it's an undeniable truth that Google are getting better at design faster than Apple are getting better at web-based services.

mullerman  Nov. 24, 2012 at 17:56

You forgot Firefox over Safari.

Pondlife  Nov. 24, 2012 at 18:38

So seeing as I've never heard of the guy did he do something significant at Apple that makes his opinion especially relevant?

matt101101 / MOD  Nov. 24, 2012 at 18:47

So seeing as I've never heard of the guy did he do something significant at Apple that makes his opinion especially relevant?
Here's his LinkedIn profile:

http://www.linkedin.com/in/pblair

JanSt / MOD  Nov. 24, 2012 at 18:53

Matt,... Here's what happens when you set up a Galaxy Note 2 on VF Ireland: during setup you're asked to enter your gmail account. Okay, not strange. But: while you go through the rest of the setup, the Note pulls ALL your picasa pics from the cloud if that is the same account as your gmail account. No pop-up informing you about that!
If I had set up the Note on 3G instead of voa wifi, I would have paid through the nose to download pics I didn't want synced. Next you're asked to setup Dropbox...then backup the whole unwanted stuff to Google... LOL you think I overreact???
This is the guided setup for newbs who, at no point, are clearly told what is happening.
I downloaded a few hundred pics I sisn't want from Picasa... Had I continued the "guided setup" I would have sent them all straight to Google, dropbox and then some!!! They are ALREADY on Picasa, ffs LOL

Pondlife  Nov. 24, 2012 at 19:10

Not a note obviously but last clean android setup I had it only fetched thumbnails of the picasa pics unless I view the files and then it gets the full files. It hasn't sent them back to google or dropbox either I think, though I've removed dropbox temporarily so can't check.

Pondlife  Nov. 24, 2012 at 19:15

So seeing as I've never heard of the guy did he do something significant at Apple that makes his opinion especially relevant?
Here's his LinkedIn profile:

http://www.linkedin.com/in/pblair


Seems like broadly nobody, the Time magazine part particular lowlight...

matt101101 / MOD  Nov. 24, 2012 at 19:45

Matt,... Here's what happens when you set up a Galaxy Note 2 on VF Ireland: during setup you're asked to enter your gmail account. Okay, not strange. But: while you go through the rest of the setup, the Note pulls ALL your picasa pics from the cloud if that is the same account as your gmail account. No pop-up informing you about that!
If I had set up the Note on 3G instead of voa wifi, I would have paid through the nose to download pics I didn't want synced. Next you're asked to setup Dropbox...then backup the whole unwanted stuff to Google... LOL you think I overreact???
This is the guided setup for newbs who, at no point, are clearly told what is happening.
I downloaded a few hundred pics I sisn't want from Picasa... Had I continued the "guided setup" I would have sent them all straight to Google, dropbox and then some!!! They are ALREADY on Picasa, ffs LOL

GMail: As you say, no issue there, it's an Android device

Picasa: I don't have an account, so I can't vouch for that (though I've never seen it mentioned on any Android device I've set up). Does sound a bit dodgy if it works as you said it did, though. One I'll definitely be avoiding...

DropBox: I know for a fact you can opt out, as I set my S2 up with the WanamLite 4.1.2 ROM yesterday and there was an option to skip DropBox set-up (I didn't, I took the 50GB of free space). When you have set up drop-box, nothing is automatically synced to it, you're asked before anything goes ahead.

Samsung Account: You can skip on set-up (one button press) and it never asks you about it again unless you use an app which reqs. a Samsung Account (which most people won't, as they're all useless apps).

Wi-Fi Network Connection: Can be skipped with one button press and you're not asked about it again until you try and connect to a Wi-Fi network.




Jan, Irrelevant side-note, did you use WanamLite 4.1.2 on that N2 you borrowed a couple of weeks ago?

matt101101 / MOD  Nov. 24, 2012 at 19:47

So seeing as I've never heard of the guy did he do something significant at Apple that makes his opinion especially relevant?
Here's his LinkedIn profile:

http://www.linkedin.com/in/pblair


Seems like broadly nobody, the Time magazine part particular lowlight...

Basically, he was an Apple engineer who worked on iOS 2 through to iOS 4.3.

JanSt / MOD  Nov. 24, 2012 at 20:09

matt, yes, I used wanam lite. why, mylord?

Also:
ontopically speaking, how come this dude pipes up days before the completely new iTunes will be launched? (devs and labels have just been asked to provide new album/cover art...).

The man comes off like some Murtazin/Ahonen variant.
Having said that... iTunes does suck, but it's not kies :p

JanSt / MOD  Nov. 24, 2012 at 20:16

matt (part 2) - re all the cloud apps: sure, Samsung account etc you can opt out - though: no sh*t: the picasa story IS TRUE! I actually reset to do the setup again in case I missed a warning. Zilch. Just the usual "sign in to gmail for app store yada yada"! NOT a word about PICASA or any immediate sync of any kind. Yet, again: in the background all picasa pics sucked down...

Anyhoo: my point was: too much cloud. This is not an Android-specific issue by any means.
A newb to smartphone is deliberately lured to share everything with everyone for the purpose of 'back-up' and "convenience" - frequently those services duplicate functionality.

Pondlife  Nov. 24, 2012 at 20:46

Did it actually sync the full pictures though?

JanSt / MOD  Nov. 24, 2012 at 21:02

Did it actually sync the full pictures though?

Yes!!!! I emailed Vf aboout it, also. It's nuts.

Pondlife  Nov. 24, 2012 at 21:08

Totally agree then.

matt101101 / MOD  Nov. 25, 2012 at 01:48

matt, yes, I used wanam lite. why, mylord?
I've been using it since yesterday on my S2 (the version based on the Samsung 4.1.2 build), and it just seems too good to be true. It brings the S2 back up to being as smooth and quick as an S3 and the battery life is better than either CM9 final release or CM10 nightlies.

Did you find anything noticeably wrong with it after using for ten times longer than I have been? I can't be bothered to read the 1200+ page thread on XDA, which covers 3 devices, so I thought I'd ask you instead.

JanSt / MOD  Nov. 25, 2012 at 09:36

Matt,
Nope - used it for 8 days only. And I used the Note quite a lot for those 8 days.
Everything was peachy BUT: the only thing I didn't use, didn't even try was bluetooth - which I think you use in your car, right?
So, that you might google for...

That aside, it's a fast ROM - some extras that the bloated VF ROM didn't have (settings for quick toggles in notification bar etc).
No bloat, except for TW LOL
Battery life was good. Day and a half with heavy use - loadsa apps downloading and trying, finding best launcher, finding good tumblr & twitter apps (there aren't any :p it's Android hahaha). Normal use gave me 2 full days. With 3G & WiFi on, 3 email accounts on push etc etc...

Oh, I disn't play any demanding games, either. But my lady watched the 4 1/2 hr cut of "Das Boot" on it one night with no stutter (the phone. She had a drink so can't vouch for her speech)

matt101101 / MOD  Nov. 25, 2012 at 15:39

Matt,
Nope - used it for 8 days only. And I used the Note quite a lot for those 8 days.
Everything was peachy BUT: the only thing I didn't use, didn't even try was bluetooth - which I think you use in your car, right?
So, that you might google for...

That aside, it's a fast ROM - some extras that the bloated VF ROM didn't have (settings for quick toggles in notification bar etc).
No bloat, except for TW LOL
Battery life was good. Day and a half with heavy use - loadsa apps downloading and trying, finding best launcher, finding good tumblr & twitter apps (there aren't any :p it's Android hahaha). Normal use gave me 2 full days. With 3G & WiFi on, 3 email accounts on push etc etc...

Oh, I disn't play any demanding games, either. But my lady watched the 4 1/2 hr cut of "Das Boot" on it one night with no stutter (the phone. She had a drink so can't vouch for her speech)

I haven't tried to BT yet either as I've not driven anywhere since Friday evening. I'm shocked how good the Samsung made JB leak for the S2 is, if they released it as is to the general public, I don't think there would be any more complaints than with firmware which was designed to be a final release.

Obviously I'm not getting 2 days of battery life, I think the Note 2's 3100mah battery may have been helping with that :p, my S2's battery struggles with getting through an average day at work nowadays. Still, it's just as good as CM9 and CM10, so I'm not that bothered really.

I quite like the new Nature UX which Samsung have started sticking on all their high end phones, it's much better than the old TW and has some nice features which stock Android lacks. Also, that water ripple noise on the lockscreen is one of the most calming things I've ever heard, me likey.

Final thing, I've never seen my S2 run so smoothly. Project Butter never worked on any CM10 ROM, so it was never really any smoother than ICS. This WanamLite ROM is incredibly smooth, there's little to no difference in end user experience between an S2 running this ROM and an S3 running whatever the latest official Samsung firmware for S3s is.

It takes a lot for a phone to impress me, but I think this has managed it. It gets the official "Matt seal of approval" (as long as the BT works properly).

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