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Apple Lose (another) Patent Case in The UK.

UK courts have ruled that there are "recognisable differences" which were "apparent to the naked eye", when it comes to comparisons between Samsung's tablet range and the Apple iPad. Therefore there will be no sales ban, temporary or permanent, of Samsung's tablet range, in the UK.

This comes only days after Apple lost anther patent case in the UK, in that case it was to HTC. The main point of which, was HTC's use of "slide to unlock", which the UK High Court (if I remember correctly), decided was an invalid patent, as it's an obvious way to unlock a phone, not to mention the fact Apple were not the first company to implement a "slide to unlock" feature. A phone called the Neonode N1m, which was released in 2004/5, two to three years before the first iPhone appeared, had a similar unlocking system.

Thank god one country in the world seems to have a legal system in which the Judges have some sense of the real world.

Yay UK.

Source: http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/tablets/apple-loses-patent-case-against-samsung-in-uk-courts-1088321

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Pondlife  Jul. 9, 2012 at 14:43

Shouldn't they be looking at whether the patents office should be granting these dubious patents in the first place though

matt101101 / MOD  Jul. 9, 2012 at 14:46

True, but at least the courts have some level of sense. The next step is to have a total overhaul of the patent system, to prevent companies, such as Apple, patenting obvious or vague things which can then even make it into a court room. Patents were meant to be a defensive tool, not an offensive one.

The only saving grace is that UK courts seem to be less blinded by fancy lawyers and big corporations, than the US courts are.

Pondlife  Jul. 9, 2012 at 14:47

Apple undeterred repeat the same stance.

UPDATE: Apple has contacted Pocket-lint to reiterate its stance in the matter, which is the same as it was before the High Court ruling: "It's no coincidence that Samsung's latest products look a lot like the iPhone and iPad, from the shape of the hardware to the user interface and even the packaging. This kind of blatant copying is wrong and, as we've said many times before, we need to protect Apple's intellectual property when companies steal our ideas."

from pocket lint ;)

Pondlife  Jul. 9, 2012 at 14:51

True, but at least the courts have some level of sense. The next step is to have a total overhaul of the patent system, to prevent companies, such as Apple, patenting obvious or vague things which can then even make it into a court room. Patents were meant to be a defensive tool, not an offensive one.

The only saving grace is that UK courts seem to be less blinded by fancy lawyers and big corporations, than the US courts are.


Is a pleasant change for it to make sense.

Could just be that Samsung got the better fancy lawyers this time?

matt101101 / MOD  Jul. 9, 2012 at 14:53

You didn't expect Apple to actually admit they were wrong, did you? Anyway, Apple can bang on all they like, their words mean literally nothing, they could claim Samsung were monsters from outer-space, it wouldn't detract from Samsung's current legal right to sell their tablets in the UK.

matt101101 / MOD  Jul. 9, 2012 at 14:54

Could just be that Samsung got the better fancy lawyers this time?
Possibly...but I don't think HTC could afford Apple level lawyers, and Apple lost to HTC just last week.

Pondlife  Jul. 9, 2012 at 15:02

You didn't expect Apple to actually admit they were wrong, did you? Anyway, Apple can bang on all they like, their words mean literally nothing, they could claim Samsung were monsters from outer-space, it wouldn't detract from Samsung's current legal right to sell their tablets in the UK.

No but thought they could have tried a slightly different wording or just maybe a bit less embarrassing. Guess they can't move from that stance while defending it vigorously in other countries. Just hope others start to think about it in same way.

mrew42  Jul. 9, 2012 at 15:19

The last product I saw that looked anything like the iPhone was the Galaxy S. The SII and SIII? no. The Galaxy Tab? nope.
Similar packaging? oh come on, there's a good way to do it and a bad way. I've had phones delivered in packaging before the iPhone existed which was similar.

Pondlife  Jul. 9, 2012 at 15:59

Even then you'd not easily mistake one for the other
If you took the branding off most tvs for example not many would be able to judge from just viewing them which was which doesn't stop brand names selling.
Packaging is broadly irrelevant I'd say, and makes them sound a bit silly, most will have selected what they want before they see the box, especially true for online sales.

matt101101 / MOD  Jul. 9, 2012 at 16:03

most will have selected what they want before they see the box, especially true for online sales.
The same is likely true for in store sales, as the display model phones don't have boxes and if you ask to use a working version, they usually just bring out the phone, not the box and all the accessories.

mrew42  Jul. 9, 2012 at 16:25

Even then you'd not easily mistake one for the other
If you took the branding off most tvs for example not many would be able to judge from just viewing them which was which doesn't stop brand names selling.
Packaging is broadly irrelevant I'd say, and makes them sound a bit silly, most will have selected what they want before they see the box, especially true for online sales.


I have to say a LOT of people who don't own a touchscreen phone (on other words dumb or BB) mistake my Wife's Galaxy S for an iPhone. Until they see one side by side. But I put that down to the fact that most people will call a generic MP3 player an iPod, much like they'd call a generic "carpet cleaning device using vacuum" a Hoover.
Apple made the iPhone a household name by the sheer number of the things that they have sold. They weren't the first to make a touchscreen phone and they won't be the last.

socialjeebus  Jul. 9, 2012 at 16:35

The whole reason why these disputes occur is lazy decisions at the patent office create the opportunity for firms to bash each other.

Just started studying patent law (trying to get on the IP law gravy train - not only do they work the least hours in my company but they also also earn a shitload of cash). Was truly shocking to see some of the patents granted.

A patent office in the US had actually granted a patent for a bald guy combover:p....the sooner someone gives patent offices a swift kick up the ****, the better

eddyday  Jul. 10, 2012 at 06:43

And Samsungbot struggles to hide its glee.

Pondlife  Jul. 10, 2012 at 11:15

buffoon

matt101101 / MOD  Jul. 10, 2012 at 12:44

And Samsungbot struggles to hide its glee.
Firstly, I'm not employed by Mobot, so it was me struggling to hide my glee, not Mobot as a whole. Secondly, people have opinions, you have yours, I have mine. This isn't the BBC, we're not legally, or morally, bound to be impartial about anything.

I think Apple are a disgusting company who are attempting to use outdated patent systems around the world, to their advantage. I'm sure Samsung have skeletons in their closet too, but at least they have enough shame to keep said skeletons firmly in their closet.

Oh, and one last thing, yes, I was happy when Apple lost. When I first read the story on Techradar it made me firstly smile, and secondly think "go UK!". The very best thing is, the fact you have a problem with it, doesn't affect me in the slightest, great eh?

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