Treab

blackberry torch 9860 failure or possible upset?

http://www.gsmarena.com/blackberry_torch_9860-review-650p8.php

a review for blackberrys new phone...

the current price at the moment sim free is £398.50 at amazon thats £70.50 cheaper compared to the bold 9900.

but when you consider its main rivals from android costs,

samsung s2 £419
Htc sensation £371.86
lg optimus 3d £369.99

or from windows 7.5

HTC trophy £329.99

and from symbian

nokia N8 - £287.99

does this untested premium priced phone stand out compared to the current big hitters with its 3.7" screen 1.2ghz processor (single core). Or are their blackberry fans willing to pay the price after blackberrys failed touchscreens, such as, the Storm or the touch 9800.

Most Useful Answer matt101101  Sep. 30, 2011 at 16:29

Chavs saved BB. Fact. No Chavs, no BB. The business market has moved onto the iPhone as it's perceived as "cool". In my office, most people have either an iPhone or high end Android device. Then there's the other end of the scale, some people have an old feature phone, just because they really don't care. There seems to be very little middle ground, in my experience.

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matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 30, 2011 at 09:32

I think the only thing the Torch will be upsetting, is the people who decide to buy one ;).

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 30, 2011 at 10:12

Irrelevant. You leave out a factor: Some people actually know what they want from a phone. It's not necessarily the "hot thing of the months" - not necessarily the uber-specced, overcolockable monster.

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 30, 2011 at 10:30

I don't get you? What does the BB offer that's unique, or better than anything else on the market (bar BBM, which IMO is one of BB's remaining decent assets)?

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 30, 2011 at 10:47

Matt,
it's not about me (oddly enough :p )!
Some people like to 'play' with gadgets and apps, some, however, need to use their phone. Like, really. If the setup is not what they are used to, they'll revert. That is why many folks stick with Series 40 or Symbian, or Brew or iOS or Android.

Me personally, I'm kinda inbetween: I do enjoy figuring stuff out, but there are functions and features where I do not like to compromise. Apple's refusing to offer mass storage mode? Android's 'juvenile' email client? Etc... People are not all the same. Hey, The Torch 9800? You cannot use the touchscreen while it's charging? Like - wtf? :p

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 30, 2011 at 10:52

PS: I know people with BBs who have data deactivated permanently. They just like the qwerty for SMS! What can you say? No way can you argue with them! And I dare say, 90% of folks wouldn't know the difference between a wildfire 1 and 2 etc etc...

viva la difference

Treab  Sep. 30, 2011 at 14:03

Jan i agree with you. some people do know what they want from a phone and arent interested in 'the next big thing' but my question is this a case of too little too late?

Blackberry are currently in a rut their sales are down massively and this phone is totally out of character for blackberry and with its high cost for a relatively unknown phone (by that their last 2 touchphones ignoring the 9900 havent done well) can this really help turn blackberrys fortunes?

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 30, 2011 at 14:41

No, you're absolutely right about prices and "too late"!
The 9800 I'm using at the mo does the job for me, but in too many ways it is a disaster considering its original price and release date.
Same goes for the Symbian Anna crew. It should have been Belle a year ago.

The Torch 9860 I personally don't get - if some BB fan ditches the physical qwerty, why on earth go for it?

But my point was that, for whatever reasons, there are BB fans who would like some variety. Who would like a biggish screen for vids and browsing. But they want BB...

Same way a lot of people would really like a good frontfacing qwerty style Android.

Taste, habit, and all that.

But yeah, I find the Nokia E6 an unnecessary botched up "upgrade" attempt. People, buy an E71 instead. Or a reduced Bold 9780.
And no, I don't think the Bold 9900 is worth its money - though it's darn hot to look at.

Treab  Sep. 30, 2011 at 16:07

so janny bearing in mind your selling your old nokias whats your plan for you next stolen phone?

waiting for one of nokias 2 windows phones searay and sabre?

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 30, 2011 at 16:11

I agree with this being to little, to late from RIM. The BB brand holds far less respect than it did five years ago, simply because RIM rested on their laurels, that business people would keep buying BBs, regardless of what else was available. Imagine the position RIM would be in now, if chavs hadn't taken a liking to BBM...

Treab  Sep. 30, 2011 at 16:23

imagine where they could be now if they hadn't just been about the business market making them to be perceived 'boring'

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 30, 2011 at 16:28

Windows Pong 7.5 is not on my list.
I might have a play with an N9 - but oddly enough, I think I won't like it.
I have actually no idea what to get next. None.

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 30, 2011 at 16:29

Chavs saved BB. Fact. No Chavs, no BB. The business market has moved onto the iPhone as it's perceived as "cool". In my office, most people have either an iPhone or high end Android device. Then there's the other end of the scale, some people have an old feature phone, just because they really don't care. There seems to be very little middle ground, in my experience.

Treab  Sep. 30, 2011 at 16:32

tbh the middle ground seems to be 'kids' who get say 100-200 quid phones to impress their mates...

ahh the nokia N9 how expensive is that in ireland... 7000 euro? (most of thats tax :p)

why not retry android janular buy a sensation or galaxy s2 on your 14 day return bull ;)

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 30, 2011 at 16:41

Well the only Kids I know are my daughter and her mates. I know what phone she has (she sort of fits your theory, Samsung Jet, though she really doesn't care about impressing her mates, I think that's a guy thing), but I have no idea what phones her friends have :p.

Jan's had a SGS2, as far as I'm aware and the Sensation is inferior in pretty much every way, (unless you adore and can't do without, Sense).

Treab, have you decided what you're doing when your upgrade window comes around?

Treab  Sep. 30, 2011 at 16:45

i want a sammy so i plan to get one on a £15 a month deal ;)

i can get one now for 21.50 and £29 upfront... so with my retention deal which im hoping to get im hoping to pay a low amount for a shexy phone ;)

unless the note comes out and flops then i may pick that one up :D

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 30, 2011 at 16:49

The "not"? What's that? I like the suggestion of a flop....*cough* BB Playbook *cough*...

Treab  Sep. 30, 2011 at 16:52

i meant note :p samsung note im hoping it slightly fails ;) and at 5.3" for a phone i recon for alot of people it maybe too big...

CTPAHHIK  Sep. 30, 2011 at 17:24

Torch price seems very reasonable to me. I would go for it instead of Bold 9900. Too bad I don't like BB in general. However, there are people that to. Maybe some of them are fed up with keyboard and would like a full touch screen.
Only things that would stop me from recommending Torch would be battery life. I don't know what it is, but expecting half of Bold?
Wait a few months and price will go down. Android flagships were much more expensive when they first released.

Treab  Sep. 30, 2011 at 17:52

you say that ctpa but the original torch which was a commercial flop is still being sold sim free at £349.99 after a year.

now i agree having the choice of a qwerty free phone is a good thing to increase choice for BB users but considering the market they are going into and its taken 4 years to enter it properly after the iphone is it at risk of failing as people are too used to the current crop of smartphones?

JanSt / MOD  Oct. 1, 2011 at 09:20

Damn, now I want to try the 9860 o_O

You planned that all along, Treab. Didn't you?!

See if I can find one...

Treab  Oct. 1, 2011 at 13:13

Yep :p its the first phone in ireland without this 14 day return policy ;)

JanSt / MOD  Oct. 1, 2011 at 13:25

I know :( O2 don't do the 9860. Just the Bold 9900. Maybe I play with that :p

Treab  Oct. 1, 2011 at 14:25

wheres the fun with that one oO the bold 9900 isnt a full touch screen :p

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