Confusion surrounds iPhone 5S iPhone 5C sales split

Confusion surrounds iPhone 5S iPhone 5C sales splitEarlier this week, Apple fired out a press release declaring a super-sexy opening weekend for the iPhone 5S and iPhone 5C, with a total nine million units sold. Not too shabby for a company that’s supposedly failing to innovate.

The obvious question is: Which is selling more – iPhone 5S or iPhone 5C? Apple is keeping characteristically quiet, while analysts can’t quite make their minds up. Or, as Martin put it: “Who the **** knows what's going on?”

Apple Insider, firstly, relays stats from KGI Securities’ Ming-Chi Kuo, who estimates 3.5-4.5 million iPhone 5S units were sold, so the iPhone 5C would logically take us up to the 9 million total with somewhere around 4.5-5.5 million.

Of course, the iPhone 5S in particular was said to be “sold out”, possibly on account of yield issues with the fingerprint scanner.

Kuo says his figures are rooted in production (as opposed to activation). As the Insiders note, he has a pretty good track record with Apple stuff, rightly predicting that the iPhone 5C wouldn’t be a “budget iPhone”.

Meanwhile, focusing on the US, Localytics claims that the iPhone 5S is outselling the iPhone 5C by a ratio of around 3:1, with the latter slowly gaining ground over the course of the week.

The truth is that we may never know how iPhone 5S and iPhone 5C sales break down, since – as evidenced above – there are numerous conflicting methodoligies.

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JanSt / MOD  Sep. 28, 2013 at 12:44

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Bonce  Sep. 28, 2013 at 13:21

:) we know as I posted last week which no one accepted the 5c is failing hugely with some outlets selling single figures, not that shrouded in mystery if you are willing to look. territories such as Australia already labelled it a dud. Its fine claiming nine million sales when nearly half of them are gathering dust on shelves.

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 28, 2013 at 15:05

You posted no such thing, and we know nothing. You make up figures and package guesses and preferences as fact...

The others here are too polite to say this: you're very boring because you still provide no links, no sources... no nothing.

Bonce  Sep. 28, 2013 at 16:16

corgi74  Sep. 28, 2013 at 16:20

Apple always quote sold not shipped. Easier when you are the largest retailer of your own products.

Bonce  Sep. 28, 2013 at 16:40

:) we know as I posted last week which no one accepted the 5c is failing hugely with some outlets selling single figures, not that shrouded in mystery if you are willing to look. territories such as Australia already labelled it a dud. Its fine claiming nine million sales when nearly half of them are gathering dust on shelves.

Apple always quote sold not shipped. Easier when you are the largest retailer of your own products.


Check your facts there a common mistake my friend in fact these 9 million record sales are based against the fact the 4s wasn't even included in the total last year. The figure includes sales into the channel so includes those sitting on the shelf

http://news.techeye.net/mobile/questions-posed-over-apple-iphone-sales
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304713704579092931680449134.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/nigamarora/2013/09/23/digging-deeper-into-blowout-first-weekend-iphone-sales/

Of course unless you have something to back up your statement that these are all sold phones direct to customers other than your post ??

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 28, 2013 at 17:05

Yeah thats what people do when companies never release proper figures, its called investigation ;) you should try it on here.

http://www.osnews.com/story/27346/iP...in_perspective
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/c...925-2ud7n.html
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/m...924-2ubc5.html
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/50875...m#.UkNi0obrxC8


Are you kidding? THAT is YOUR PROOF? Dumb and dumber?
I've been thinking a bit more about those iPhone 5C/5S weekend sales figures, and while it is certainly impressive, if you compare it to the iPhone 5's first weekend sales figures, it's actually quite a step backwards for Apple. The issue here - something many sites and even Apple itself doesn't want to focus on - is that the iPhone 5C/5S is available to a lot more people than the iPhone 5 was.

The iPhone 5 was available to 720 million people at launch, and sold 5 million units. This is a penetration of 0.69%. The iPhone 5C and 5S, however, are available to 2078 million people, and sold 9 million units, which constitutes a penetration of 0.43%. So, Apple has two new models to advertise and lure consumers with instead of one, and has a huge additional market (China) to address, yet it failed to capitalise on either of these two factors.

What this shows is that while the sales figure is still pretty darn impressive, it's not nearly as groundbreaking if you put it in perspective. Looking at it this way, the so-called record breaking 9 million figure can easily be explained away by Apple almost tripling its launch weekend audience, instead of an increasing popularity of the iPhone.

The only reason I'm writing this is to illustrate how numbers are entirely arbitrary, and it's easy to make silly comparisons and claim an arbitrary victory - or, change perspective a bit and claim arbitrary defeat, as I've done here.


...and on and on and on and on...
Go on, post your 'informed opinions'. Again and again and again...

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 28, 2013 at 17:17

But hey...

You're probably right. Apple have been broke for years.
Nobody downloads their apps, or buys their crapples... It's just 'us' fanatics.
I'm so glad I 'met' you. Best. News. Ever. I feel healed.

The air smells cleaner, the birds sing chirpier tunes; hey, the lyrics to Message In A Bottle suddenly make sense, too.
Have a fabulous weekend, fellow nerds and nerdettes.

corgi74  Sep. 28, 2013 at 18:34

I like him. He's funny.
Can we keep him Jan? Please?

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 28, 2013 at 18:40

Yeah... True renaissance man. :p

Bonce  Sep. 29, 2013 at 00:17

I like him. He's funny.
Can we keep him Jan? Please?


:D Decided not to delete this post did you, the other one did embarrass you to be fair to you.

JanSt / MOD
Go on, post your 'informed opinions'. Again and again and again...

Shall we play selective quoted then

"Only 14 iPhone 5c models had been sold at the seven stores that divulged numbers. Another two stores that didn't divulge figures said the 5c wasn't selling well and that they had "plenty" in stock."

"One store manager said he received hundreds of the 5c and that 95 per cent of them remained in stock."

Optus in Australia sold 500 iPhone 5C out of their shipment of 10,000. This matches with Three and EE's figures for opening weekend.

This is fun and you know what all without being abusive .. you should try it never makes your point any better you'll find

apcody  Sep. 29, 2013 at 02:24

Looks like the 5c already being discounted in Apple's target market oh dear

appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/in-china-apples-iphone-5c-is-already-selling-for-a-discounted-price

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 29, 2013 at 11:24

Looks like the 5c already being discounted in Apple's target market oh dear

appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/in-china-apples-iphone-5c-is-already-selling-for-a-discounted-price


Seems to refer to contract, no?
Every Irish and German network I know has always sold new iPhones for 'free' on 24 months contracts. US networks also tend to sell them below the announced price...
Dito, every other handset in ever made.
We just aren't getting closer to actuall figures. Be it the i5 or the SGS4...
And, gosh: big deal! :p

apcody  Sep. 29, 2013 at 11:40

If I said they were selling for a pound I suspect you would find some positive in that, none so blind as those that refuse to see, hey ho.

corgi74  Sep. 29, 2013 at 14:56

I like this bit

As of this writing, the online retailer appears to have 45 iPhone 5c smartphones in stock, indicating that unlike Apple’s iPhone 5s, supply of the colorful iPhone 5c is indeed plentiful.

They've got 45 in stock! When does the fire sale start?

Also it see the bit about the 5S doing well was ignored.

corgi74  Sep. 29, 2013 at 15:02

China's 'largest B2C retailer' has an average of 9 of each colour 5C available. That's probably less than my local CPW.
Obviously not knowing basic facts like how many they had to start off with, what colours and capacity and how many they've sold to have 45 left shouldn't get in the way of your opinion.

corgi74  Sep. 29, 2013 at 15:38

I like him. He's funny.
Can we keep him Jan? Please?


:D Decided not to delete this post did you, the other one did embarrass you to be fair to you.

JanSt / MOD
Go on, post your 'informed opinions'. Again and again and again...

Shall we play selective quoted then

"Only 14 iPhone 5c models had been sold at the seven stores that divulged numbers. Another two stores that didn't divulge figures said the 5c wasn't selling well and that they had "plenty" in stock."

"One store manager said he received hundreds of the 5c and that 95 per cent of them remained in stock."

Optus in Australia sold 500 iPhone 5C out of their shipment of 10,000. This matches with Three and EE's figures for opening weekend.

This is fun and you know what all without being abusive .. you should try it never makes your point any better you'll find


I don't live in Australia. Although if you had to trawl the internet for any source from any country to find 'data' to support your opinion which can then be presented as a global fact based on 'data' from one country you could do a lot worse than Australia.
At least the website will be in English.

Bonce  Sep. 29, 2013 at 16:25

Well if you did any actual research instead of just posting nonsense, you know just some kind of counter argument it may help.

But to let you know apples 9 million phones were made up of 4.5 million c's and 4.5 million s's. Market analysts are fairly unanimous that end users have had 6 million phones the 5s has sold out leaving the rest of that figure to be made up of 5c's the rest unsold.

What is not true is that all 9 million phones are in the hands of the public, although you did post this then very quickly deleted realising you didn't quite know your facts and were posting as most apple fans do on what they have been told.

So around 1.5 million 5c sales so far in the week of release, hmmm starting to look at little less good. Still 5c's left out of only 4.5 million that had to around all those markets still convinced of it's success are we? want to guarantee it perhaps? thought not ;)

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 29, 2013 at 20:08

Bonce, I'm not sure you were addressing me in your last comment - I sure as sh*t didn't read it. Tbh, people like you bore me to tears. So I'm in tears. But knock yourself (and every other reader) out...

corgi74  Sep. 29, 2013 at 20:17

I think he's addressing me. Everything he says is true because it was on an Australian website that sort of agreed with an opinion he already had.

Also are the market analysts you mention the same ones who were also fairly unanimous that Apple were working on a budget phone?
Very reliable sources.

corgi74  Sep. 29, 2013 at 20:47

Oh look. A report from the same people who did the Australian one referenced that says 5C sales in the US are on the increase. No figures but you can always pass a guess off as fact can't you Bonce?

http://www.localytics.com/blog/2013/iphone-5s-most-popular-in-san-francisco-while-iphone-5c-starts-to-gain-ground-across-the-u-s/

Only needs to backed up with some unquantifiable, anecdotal evidence gathered from a small sample and we're good to go.




http://www.localytics.com/blog/2013/iphone-5s-most-popular-in-san-francisco-while-iphone-5c-starts-to-gain-ground-across-the-u-s/

Bonce  Sep. 29, 2013 at 21:46

HAHAHA so let me get this right your evidence of good 5c sales is that it is gaining ground on a phone that has sold out, so if it sold 1 phone it would do that wouldn't it? Oh dear you are desperate aren't you.

And we will dismiss market analysis in favour of what exactly, oh let me guess your views is it? which are frankly pretty poor.

It sounds like you won't visit the multi coloured legoland made out of all the 5c rejects, oh no I'm sure you will anything apple right ;)

Hope your around in a few months I will come back and you can tell me how successful the 5c was again.

corgi74  Sep. 29, 2013 at 22:25

Blah, blah, blah
Wipe your tears away.

apcody  Sep. 30, 2013 at 00:55

Wipe their years away :3

corgi74  Sep. 30, 2013 at 05:00

Wipe their years away :3

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/2054482/single-tumbleweed-o.gif GIFSoup

WTF? That doesn't even make sense.

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