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What does everyone expect from Apple?

Do you think people are being unnecessarily harsh on Apple? It's not like anyone else has been doing anything hugely innovative. The Samsung Galaxy S4 is an incremental update of the S3 with lots of software features; all Android flagships are same-old phones with 5-inch 1080p displays. And how different can the iPhone 5S really be? It's just a phone afterall ;)

Most Useful Answer JanSt  May. 8, 2013 at 18:34

Agree. I have no idea what the fuss is about.
If you don't like something don't fr*gging buy and use it. I wouldn't touch Windows, but I don't spend all my time converting people to Ubuntu or Mac... I hate Android's 'aesthetics', but if the choice would be between an iPhone I cannot jailbreak and Android, I'd take any Android device. WP? Same thing: not into it, although UI-wise more up my alley than Android. I would, however, gladly recommend a number of WP devices to certain people...
I'm happy with my Nokia N9, but it's not for everyone.
Are Apple the worst in hype? Hardly. Gimme a break...

On Saturday I bought a HTC One. On Sunday I sold it. It's a great phone. Great camera, great build quality and sound.... Is It revolutionary compared to any 2012 0r even 2011 flagship? Hahahaha... no, it's not.
Nor is the iPhone 5. But it's well improved from the 4S. No reason to buy it, maybe.

I believe one reason is cost. People are annoyed by the fact that a Macbook is so expensive compared to a (superficially) similar Windows machine. Get the f*ck over it :p

So, maybe that is at one of the roots of this? Maybe it's Jobs' smugness? That whole 'genius' alternative BS. But please: Eric Schmidt, Sergey Brin et al... creeps. Samsung? Union-busting A-class polluters...
They are all companies out to create wants so they can milk us. If something is not up your alley, you should be pleased, cause your shopping list got shorter!

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JanSt / MOD  May. 8, 2013 at 18:34

Agree. I have no idea what the fuss is about.
If you don't like something don't fr*gging buy and use it. I wouldn't touch Windows, but I don't spend all my time converting people to Ubuntu or Mac... I hate Android's 'aesthetics', but if the choice would be between an iPhone I cannot jailbreak and Android, I'd take any Android device. WP? Same thing: not into it, although UI-wise more up my alley than Android. I would, however, gladly recommend a number of WP devices to certain people...
I'm happy with my Nokia N9, but it's not for everyone.
Are Apple the worst in hype? Hardly. Gimme a break...

On Saturday I bought a HTC One. On Sunday I sold it. It's a great phone. Great camera, great build quality and sound.... Is It revolutionary compared to any 2012 0r even 2011 flagship? Hahahaha... no, it's not.
Nor is the iPhone 5. But it's well improved from the 4S. No reason to buy it, maybe.

I believe one reason is cost. People are annoyed by the fact that a Macbook is so expensive compared to a (superficially) similar Windows machine. Get the f*ck over it :p

So, maybe that is at one of the roots of this? Maybe it's Jobs' smugness? That whole 'genius' alternative BS. But please: Eric Schmidt, Sergey Brin et al... creeps. Samsung? Union-busting A-class polluters...
They are all companies out to create wants so they can milk us. If something is not up your alley, you should be pleased, cause your shopping list got shorter!

jliptoid  May. 8, 2013 at 19:21

The thing is, Android's UI has changed significantly over time, whilst iOS has basically stayed exactly the same as it was when it was founded. Android 4.2 looks absolutely nothing like 1.6.
iOS 1.0 however looks almost the same as the newest version, bar the ability to change the background which was added.

Apple is selling the same phone every year with incremental additions; maybe Samsung has done it this time (which is a bad decision which will haunt them), but there has been significant change in Android and Windows Phone over the last few years.

JanSt / MOD  May. 8, 2013 at 19:49

I agree in parts... But here's the thing: Both Donut and WP were ridiculous upon launch. It could only get better or gone :p

But yes, In terms of UI and certain features Apple have to improve. Soon.

Android by the way, imho, hasn't changed all that much since GB, either. Cosmetics and more settings and redundancies. But granted, I dislike Android, and so biased.

mann242  May. 8, 2013 at 22:09

Apple have had a great run and may still pull something out of the bag although I feel doubtful since Mr Jobs demise the cracks are clear... but IMO replacing them with Samsung (who look to be the contenders with Android as there IOS for mobiles and Smart TVs that take a lot of beating) is like replacing David Cameron with Ed Milliband - one tyrant (****) for another... IMO of course at least they are more realistic in their pricing and not so **** in the lock down of their products...

JanSt / MOD  May. 8, 2013 at 22:44

Mann242...
I'm not so sure - the way I see it, Jobs' death is just a convenient excuse for a bit
of Apple bashing. See, the new dude's not delivering. See, without Jobs they're a one-trick pony blah blah blah.
I agree - Apple need to up the ante, and why they continue to p*ss on some 30 million
customers who jailbreak is utterly beyond me! Utterly! Add a few million current Android users who'd change over if iOS was more open, and you have a clear case of industrial self-harm!

I nearly bought an iPhone 5 last week - my N9 is getting a bit slow, and it's been ages since an update. But the iPhone was on iOS 6.1.3 - so no jailbreak available. So I didn't buy it.

mshtel  May. 8, 2013 at 23:33

I think the main problem is that Apple whip people into thinking wow a great new product. But when it is released the people who know anything about mobile phones at all realize they are just pedaling the same old sh1t.

JanSt / MOD  May. 8, 2013 at 23:56

Mshtel,
I'm sure other companies (present include) would like to know how that works.
How does Apple whip us into submission?

satchef1  May. 9, 2013 at 00:20

It's a patience thing. Or, the complete lack of it. The internet has bred impatience and moral outrage. People want instant gratification, and when they don't get it they feign outrage. Life is becoming a quest to see who can be the most outraged about each and every insignificant thing. Sad really, but I guess it provides an ample distraction from the bleak reality of life.

People want Apple to release the new products now so that they can bitch about the things that they don't like. It's like having an itch that you can't scratch. It's past time for another anti-Apple rant - the old ones are becoming stale.

Personally, I look forward to seeing where Apple are going to take iOS. It could be interesting. It's only since I started using Android that I really started appreciating the thought that has gone in to iOS and Windows Phone's UIs. I'm in no hurry for it though. It will be done when it's done.

JanSt / MOD  May. 9, 2013 at 07:02

Thanks, satchef... Some sense.
Although, the OP probably wanted to know WHY Apple specifically provoke these extreme reactions.
I wonder if the very people who call Apple a cult (with superpowers like magically "whipping" us to buy "their sh*t" - like the man above put it)... well, if they aren't the religiously challenged ones? They need a nemesis, a satan figure to whatever is their false god of the day?!

They are people who don't want to accept that some people just buy a phone BECAUSE... No, it's always a dark motive: showing off, brainwashing, etc etc...
I've been wondering for a while, too.
Yes, I find a lot of Apple's "culture" ridiculous. The Genius book series, e.g., does look a bit cultish. But hello: extreme capitalism is a cult. To single out one corporation is ludicrous. Bigoted!
Anti-Apple hotheads who watch X-factor or visit McDonalds or etc should be shamed.
And this meddling - the attacking and blaming Apple for every tech disaster? The only analogy I see is religious fundamentalists who want to regulate other people's s*x life and prayer position!

Stelph  May. 9, 2013 at 09:33

The thing is, Android's UI has changed significantly over time, whilst iOS has basically stayed exactly the same as it was when it was founded. Android 4.2 looks absolutely nothing like 1.6.
iOS 1.0 however looks almost the same as the newest version, bar the ability to change the background which was added.


Thing is, is this a good thing? Innovation is great, but if people have to re-learn how everything works each time they upgrade they might think twice about upgrading, plus the issue with changing the UI often is that there is a risk that you might miss or break something. Android STILL has inconsistant actions when you press the back button depending on where you are in the UI which can be confusing, yes Apples design hasnt changed a bit but it has done and always does work so why change it?

It's a patience thing. Or, the complete lack of it. The internet has bred impatience and moral outrage. People want instant gratification, and when they don't get it they feign outrage. Life is becoming a quest to see who can be the most outraged about each and every insignificant thing. Sad really, but I guess it provides an ample distraction from the bleak reality of life.

Very true, the internet also gives a very public voice to the very noisy minority, its a bit like "antennnagate" where if you read the internet you wouldve thought everyone had a major issue and it was the end of the world, in actual fact the silent VAAAAAAST minority didnt see an issue, didnt need to blog about it, and just got on with their lives. The same with various other "issues" that people keep trying to bring up with Android devices as well

Yes, I find a lot of Apple's "culture" ridiculous. The Genius book series, e.g., does look a bit cultish. But hello: extreme capitalism is a cult. To single out one corporation is ludicrous. Bigoted!

Very true, apple are a pain in the **** with a lot of their decisions that reduce freedom within their walled garden, decisions that make no sense other than them wanting to make money (i.e. not allowing the SD reader adapters for the iPad work with an iPhone) but then they, like all other companies, are there to make money. And if you dont like it, take youre money elsewhere, the fact that everyone (and myself) buy their phones is because for the vast majority they are what they are looking for, be it for app support, fashion accessory, ease of use, familiarity....

JanSt / MOD  May. 9, 2013 at 09:42

^ what he said...
I already pointed out that Android looked and felt and worked extremely poorly when it was launched. Come on, Donut... It was so bad it spawned hundreds of tweaks and UI skins and launchers. It could only get better. If you bear that in mind, how 'bad' is it that iOS changed so little?

matt101101 / MOD  May. 9, 2013 at 14:16

the fact that everyone (and myself) buy their phones is because for the vast majority they are what they are looking for
Sweeping statements; never a good idea.

"Everyone", does not buy iPhones. Of all the phones sold in the world, those made by Apple are a small percentage. Even of all the smartphones sold, Apple devices only make up a small percentage. Following on from my previous point, an iPhone clearly isn't what the "vast majority" of people are looking for, or the "vast majority" of people would buy them.

FWIW, I agree with your points. I'm just bored 'cos I'm not at work and I'm therefore missing out on being pedantic with people ;).

JanSt / MOD  May. 9, 2013 at 14:41

Matt... I'm pretty sure Stelph is capable of irony and sarcasm. That is how I read his "everyone".
And, sorry, but: A small percentage? Quite sweeping a statement, counsel. Considering their share with a handful of devices, no? :p

JanSt / MOD  May. 9, 2013 at 14:41

Lastly: I think it's a mix of religion and pen*s envy :p
Kidding ;) Really

Stelph  May. 9, 2013 at 15:01

the fact that everyone (and myself) buy their phones is because for the vast majority they are what they are looking for
Sweeping statements; never a good idea.

"Everyone", does not buy iPhones. Of all the phones sold in the world, those made by Apple are a small percentage. Even of all the smartphones sold, Apple devices only make up a small percentage. Following on from my previous point, an iPhone clearly isn't what the "vast majority" of people are looking for, or the "vast majority" of people would buy them.

FWIW, I agree with your points. I'm just bored 'cos I'm not at work and I'm therefore missing out on being pedantic with people ;).


Fair point well made, was a pretty sweeping statement I made there looking back at it :) that being said

IPHONES RULE!!!

Muhahahahahahaha

CTPAHHIK  May. 9, 2013 at 17:45

1. Apple to stop telling everyone what they can/cannot do and how something must to be done.
2. Apple to stop suing everyone.
3. Come up with something of their own instead of incorporating existing ideas into iOS and selling them as revolutionary inventions

CTPAHHIK  May. 9, 2013 at 17:50


Personally, I look forward to seeing where Apple are going to take iOS. It could be interesting. It's only since I started using Android that I really started appreciating the thought that has gone in to iOS and Windows Phone's UIs. I'm in no hurry for it though. It will be done when it's done.


This is irrelevant. Apple started out as "Think Different". I start being different by customizing look of my phone (and not by putting a cover on it) - this is exactly what WP and iOS do not allow you to do. Every single iPhone looks the same. Any intelligent person will make improvements to any ideal UI, if there is a way to do it.

JanSt / MOD  May. 9, 2013 at 20:52

1. Apple to stop telling everyone what they can/cannot do and how something must to be done.
2. Apple to stop suing everyone.
3. Come up with something of their own instead of incorporating existing ideas into iOS and selling them as revolutionary inventions


That applies to all companies in varying degrees. Just look at Samsung's legal history. Apple get special attention. This is playing right into the OP's question.
Google stole left and right to nail Android together - taskbar, widgets etc etc ALL THERE BEFORE. All early Android prototypes shown off were E-series type QWERTY devices... wink. Appstores? Nothing new. Samsung's S-Pen? Ahem, yeah, right. Handwriting recognition? WinMo 5 had better apps for that than what some OEMs present now.
Swipe UI? Nothing new, either. Sorry, MeeGo...even you didn't invent that.



The Foxconn scandals are another good example... Apple get all the heat. Yes, Jobs' condescension in that instance (and others) was sickening, but maybe you do get cocky when the spotlight is always on you, while others do the same?!? Samsung are notorious in labour and union rights circles. They are notorious for their pollution record. They have been sued hundreds of times long before Apple first had them served.

Back to the OPs question: why do people love to hate them? I too am not free from some bias - I don't buy the cool happy fun cult bullsh*t. And I don't like to be talked down to by people who want my money. But listen to Schmidt, Brin, Elop, Gates... oh, Gates. Philanthropist, my as*...Talk about fake and condescending.
Half of Vista's and Win 7's UI innovations were nicked from Linux Distros. They use the very authorities that oh-so unfairly slapped its wrists to have other wrists slapped...

THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!
But it's always someone else's fault.
Why is it impossible to criticise an Android device for ITS faults without being called an iFan? You mention low Surface sales... booh, iFan... it IS RIDICULOUS!
I have never criticised an iDevice to then be trolled by some bitter 'MacHeads'. Seriously. Not here, not on Ixplora, Twitter etc etc etc And not in REAL life, either.
I don't even own an iPhone, and as I already said: given the choice between ANY Android phone and an iPhone 5 on iOS 6.1.4 that cannot be jailbreaked, I'd take the Android phone. ANY Android phone. H*ck, I'd take a Lumia 520.
But now and again I feel like defending Apple - and that isn't right, because NO corporation deserves our loyalty. We deserve theirs. And that ain't gonna happen.

JanSt / MOD  May. 9, 2013 at 22:27

Also: I <3 Apple ! All my kids are called Steve!

Stelph  May. 10, 2013 at 10:15

That applies to all companies in varying degrees. Just look at Samsung's legal history. Apple get special attention.

I agree here. Yes Apple are sueing left right and center but they are not the only one, what about Nokia blocking HTC using parts for their phones recently? What about Sueing Apple? Unfortunalty they are all at it and there needs to be some serious reality police action to get them all to sort it out, not just apple.


1. Apple to stop telling everyone what they can/cannot do and how something must to be done.

I do agree with this, to an extent. The walled garden that apple has set up is part of the reason iOS is so good, strictly controlling the apps that go in means that the quality of apps is high and that the user interface of the app is usually high, I wouldnt want to lose that. What I would want apple to do is allow people to do more "creative" things with their devices.

People want to connect devices via USB and a camera connector? Let them
People want to use the iPad camera connector with the iPhone? Let them
People want full bluetooth connectivity (not the crippled bluetooth iOS had{? Let them

Apple are always trying to push their devices (espesially the iPad) as "creativity" devices, but make decisions that crush creativity, thats something that I would like to see apple resolve TBH

JanSt / MOD  May. 10, 2013 at 11:04

I do agree with this, to an extent. The walled garden that apple has set up is part of the reason iOS is so good, strictly controlling the apps that go in means that the quality of apps is high and that the user interface of the app is usually high, I wouldnt want to lose that. What I would want apple to do is allow people to do more "creative" things with their devices.

People want to connect devices via USB and a camera connector? Let them
People want to use the iPad camera connector with the iPhone? Let them
People want full bluetooth connectivity (not the crippled bluetooth iOS had{? Let them

Apple are always trying to push their devices (espesially the iPad) as "creativity" devices, but make decisions that crush creativity, thats something that I would like to see apple resolve TBH


Agree, too. To an extent...

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