iPhone 5S and iPhone 5C: what the **** did you expect?

iPhone 5S and iPhone 5C: what the **** did you expect?One of the first things Emma whispered in my ear (er, virtually) as we set off on the great ship Mobot was: Don’t rise to trolls. Words to live by.

However, scouting around the cyberweb after last night’s iPhone 5C and iPhone 5S launch, some of the comments made my blood boil; a lot of seriously stupid people out there. And most of them seem to hate Apple. For some reason.

We’ve observed before that Android fans are typically quite outspoken, and a lot of energy goes towards criticising anything and everything Apple. But why?

I hate chart music; hate it. But I don’t listen to the UK Top 40 every Sunday night and moan about the rubbish that people listen to these days. I just don't buy or listen to it. Simple. Besides, as with phones, there is no right or wrong, otherwise we’d all listen to the same music.

Let’s be honest, there isn’t much Apple could’ve done to impress the Android faithful last night. And surely the iPhone 5S being an iterative hardware update comes as a surprise to no one at this stage in the game? Yet still Android fans act like Apple just peed in their cornflakes.

What do you want, Android fans? What do you want? Would you seriously be happy if iPhone users abandoned Apple en masse and moved to the dark side? Do you really want a one horse race? (Er, no offence, Windows Phone).

Another thing that really gets my goat is when the trolls seize on buzzwords, like “iSheep”. Sigh. Because following the crowd of know-it-all sheep with a seething hatred for Apple is way cooler, right? More recently they’ve started criticising Apple’s “lack of innovation”.

You want to talk about innovation? Maybe Apple would do well to take a leaf out of Samsung’s book, throwing countless flavours of mud at the wall and seeing what sticks. Or maybe they could be more Nokia and, like, die.

Apple is doing just fine, thank you very much, as evidenced by 31.2 million iPhones sales in Q2. And maybe you missed the memo, but the doom and gloom machine is currently pointed in Samsung’s direction.

The naysaying (yeah, I just made up a word) is all a bit pathetic really, and brings to mind the attitude of rampant homophobes who – deep down – are in all likelihood gay. Admit it, you’d love an iPhone, wouldn’t you? If only you hadn’t so vehemently committed to Google’s work-in-progress mobile OS.

Getting back to last night, a lot of people are complaining that the iPhone 5C isn’t a budget iPhone. Sorry, but when did Apple say the iPhone 5C would be particularly wallet-friendly? Indeed, when did Apple say anything about the iPhone 5C before last night? The ‘C’ stands for ‘Colourful’, not ‘Cheap’. Go take it up with the rumour mill.

The 16GB iPhone 5C costs £80 less than the equivalent iPhone 5S. Eighty pounds. That’s not to be scoffed at in today’s economic climate. And not everyone needs the full beastly A7-powered iPhone 5S experience. How dare you give us choice, Apple. How dare you!

Let’s not forget that a lot of people will be coming to the end of 24-month contracts with the iPhone 4S. Upgrading to the iPhone 5S – or even the iPhone 5C – is a pretty decent leap.

Heck, this mightn’t come as much of a surprise, but I’m even semi-contemplating an upgrade from the iPhone 5 to iPhone 5S. Apple A7 processor with the games (including Infinity Blade III) to back it up? Like. Playing around with slow motion video? Like. Authenticating App Store purchases with a press of the thumb? Like.

But hey, maybe the iPhone isn’t for you, and that’s ok. Don’t let it get to you, friend. It’s just a phone. It’s just… a phone.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to troll the One Direction forums.

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JanSt / MOD  Sep. 11, 2013 at 13:27

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JanSt / MOD  Sep. 11, 2013 at 13:36

Thanks, just lost a 1000 word rant.
Anyhoo.
Agree!!!!
Pathetic.
And the WP/Nokia fans were worse this time than the Google clique

barrybarryk  Sep. 11, 2013 at 13:37

Did you just compare people who don't like Apples offerings to rampant homophobes?

What the **** is wrong with you? Don't you have an editor to stop you writing drivel like that when you've got your panties in a bunch.

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 11, 2013 at 13:46

One of the first things Emma whispered in my ear (er, virtually) as we set off on the great ship Mobot was: Don’t rise to trolls. Words to live by.
However, scouting around the cyberweb after last night’s iPhone 5C and iPhone 5S launch, some of the comments made my blood boil

All good so far, you've admitted to breaking the golden rule which Emma told you to live your Mobot life by, however, you go on to say:

Don’t let it get to you, friend. It’s just a phone. It’s just… a phone.
Slightly hypocritical, no?

You want to talk about innovation? Maybe Apple would do well to take a leaf out of Samsung’s book, throwing countless flavours of mud at the wall and seeing what sticks.
Remember, the whole "phablet" market came about as a result of Samsung's "mud throwing". You've said yourself that you like the Note, so obviously Samsung's methods do work (also, look at their profits; it must be a decent business model).

Admit it, you’d love an iPhone, wouldn’t you?
No; I had one, I hated it. I've used every iPhone since and haven't once wished to own one. Saying that, I would like a home button finger print scanner, it's a cool idea and I 100% hope Samsung rip it off and stick it on their next Galaxy flagship.

The 16GB iPhone 5C costs £90 less than the equivalent iPhone 5S. Ninety pounds.
549 - 469 = 80...the price difference is £80 and you're already spending nearly £500, no one poor has nearly £500 to spend on a phone to begin with, therefore the extra £80 is likely to be largely irrelevant to most SIM free buyers.

How dare you give us choice, Apple. How dare you!
Apple, the same company who constantly bang on about Android's fragmentation, no? They now sell phones with the: A5, A7 and A7 (64 bit) chips. Remind me, which one are developers meant to tailor their apps to again? Hell, even Android doesn't have 32 vs 64 bit to deal with. Also, at only 40% quicker than the A6, is it really worth bothering with 64 bit for the A7? I'm sure the Snapdragon 800 and new Exynos 5 chips have very similar performance without messing around with 64 bit and its associated fragmentation issues.

Upgrading to the iPhone 5S – or even the iPhone 5C – is a pretty decent leap.
5S, yes. 5C, really? It's generally accepted that it's only worth upgrading to every other phone and the 4S to the 5C is basically the same as the 4S to the 5, which is only one step up. Probably not worth it unless you love p*ssing away your hard earned.
I’m even semi-contemplating an upgrade from the iPhone 5 to iPhone 5S.
Showing that even you're not sure about making a single model upgrade. Adding weight to my previous point.



Of course, I don't necessarily agree with all the points I've made, I just fancied pulling your rant apart because I'm bored and have the day off ;).

lcurdie / MOD  Sep. 11, 2013 at 14:00

Did you just compare people who don't like Apples offerings to rampant homophobes?

What the **** is wrong with you? Don't you have an editor to stop you writing drivel like that when you've got your panties in a bunch.


I'm not talking about people who simply "don't like Apples [sic] offerings", I'm talking about people whose hatred for Apple is all consuming. Yes, much like homophobes who constantly bang on about other people’s sexual preference. What difference does it make to anyone if someone is gay or uses an iPhone or – shock horror! – both?

More importantly, sense when I’m being tongue in cheek.

lcurdie / MOD  Sep. 11, 2013 at 14:03

Of course, I don't necessarily agree with all the points I've made, I just fancied pulling your rant apart because I'm bored and have the day off ;)

Cheers for the get-out-of-jail-free card ;)

I do, however, concede that I'm appalling at maths. Eek.

barrybarryk  Sep. 11, 2013 at 14:04

You're not being tongue in cheek, you're a hypocritical moron if you can't see that the entire article was exactly the kind of thing you think you're against.

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 11, 2013 at 14:12

Of course, I don't necessarily agree with all the points I've made, I just fancied pulling your rant apart because I'm bored and have the day off ;)

Cheers for the get-out-of-jail-free card ;)

I do, however, concede that I'm appalling at maths. Eek.

I'm not going to lie, there's only one point I made which I'm not fully behind and that's Samsung's mud throwing. It's a waste of money and rarely works, more market research would surely be more effective. Still, Samsung make a lot of money and the Note line of devices is a direct result of mud throwing.

I think the maths is the only unarguable point there haha :p.

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 11, 2013 at 14:25

Lewis wasn't talking about "people who do not like Apple"! He was talking about people who'd never ever buy an Apple (or Android or WP etc) product and yet go out of their way to troll, ridicule and viciously attack other people online for the freaking phone they prefer.
If my kid did that, I'd be concerned! For any reasons. The urge to meddle is not healthy. The urge to meddle by any means - even with the use of lies and distortion? Not healthy - be it soccer, software or s*x.
I'll be honest: if a friend spent 8 hours on a device launch day online to diss said device, I'd be very concerned!

Funnily, a distorted study allegedly proves that Apple fans' brains react to images of Apple products the same way religious nutters do. That study is quite inflammatory! Religious nutters try to cure gays and bomb abortion clinics. Not pretty.

I have been tracking a number of vicious trolls for some time, and whatever their subject - they tend to be unpleasant and irrational alround.

All the abuse in China happens in "Apple factories"! Nevermind that the same factories make Sony's Xperia bits or Lumia parts! No, Apple are evil! Nevermind Pegatron is still in control by Asus shareholders. Nope. Apple. Evil.
That is irrational. That is inflammatory! It IS creepy. Like homophobes.

We are complex beings, but we are also very simple! I can tell after 3 minutes with a person in a restaurant if I will like that person. 4 tweets.

A female techblogger was told on Twitter earlier to "shut the f*ck up you stupid ar*ehole b*tch"! Her crime? She had retweeted Nokia's "flattery" tweet with an added photo of coloured iPod Shuffles!

Low. Very low!

lcurdie / MOD  Sep. 11, 2013 at 14:27

You're not being tongue in cheek, you're a hypocritical moron if you can't see that the entire article was exactly the kind of thing you think you're against.

I'm well aware of the hypocrisy of moaning about people who moan, but the difference is: I get paid to do it. Well, at least until Emma gives me 30 days' notice this afternoon.

But seriously, surely the sensible thing for Android and Windows Phone diehards to do last night would've been to ignore the keynote. Conversely, I'm sure a lot of them could tell you every last detail about the new iPhones: colours, prices, features...

Meanwhile, your average iPhone user is probably blissfully unaware of the Nokia Lumia 1020's existence and probably that of the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 (until it's released, at least).

As Jan has observed, it's typically Android and Windows Phone nuts who tend to be the most vocal, but why is that? Why are they so bitter? What point are they trying to make? And again, why does it matter to them that someone might use an iPhone, whether it's The Best Thing Ever or an overpriced lump of crap? Each to their own.

Dougal1709  Sep. 11, 2013 at 14:28

I think you've kind of made the point already. Android users dig out iPhones for ony one reason, for some reason iPhone owners take criticism of their telephones like other people take criticism of their families. So mocking every iPhone that comes out causes Apple users to come out in a frenzy of protective articles and interminably long explanations as to why their phones are just so ruddy perfect. In short, it's funny. If iPhone users were to think "They are mocking the model of phone I use, well it's only a phone and I wouldn't get upset if someone laughed at my brand of DVD player so I won't react" rather than "These people are casting doubt on my entire existence if they criticise the device I use to send texts and make phone calls", less people would line up to wind them up.

Your phone might be brilliant. It might be rubbish. It doesn't really matter. Stop taking it so personally. Apple don't care about you, you really don't need to leap to protect them.

barrybarryk  Sep. 11, 2013 at 14:29

Lewis wasn't talking about "people who do not like Apple"! He was talking about people who'd never ever buy an Apple (or Android or WP etc) product and yet go out of their way to troll, ridicule and viciously attack other people online for the freaking phone they prefer.

And his cunning plan to speak out about this behaviour was a rant attacking them with the exact same sort of bile.

Way to go fanning the flames for hits.

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 11, 2013 at 14:40

I get what you're saying, but I disagree! He was way too soft!!! Android fans can rant for hours half-informedly. But look at their silence re PRISM?! Schmidt is evil! But nope, lets call out the worst ever: a new iPhone. The world is gone nuts!
Enough is enough! Sometimes you gotta draw a line. Sometimes you have to say: you are crazy! I don't like you. You are sad!

Tolerance and indifference are treacherous twins.

The beauty is: you can type: lewis is a moron. Hit submit. And there: we know what you think.

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 11, 2013 at 14:45

Dougal: I'm on Twitter quite a bit. For this site and privately. I also know iPhone owners. Honestly: most don't care about criticisms. There really is a different tone at work. A weird mindset. Dito Windows fans who dis Linux or Mac. WTF? You're on the winning team! What more do you want?

But hey. Whatever.

I wonder where our combined outrage about PRISM is?! The noise, the fury! Nah, divided we LOL

lcurdie / MOD  Sep. 11, 2013 at 14:45

I think you've kind of made the point already. Android users dig out iPhones for ony one reason, for some reason iPhone owners take criticism of their telephones like other people take criticism of their families. So mocking every iPhone that comes out causes Apple users to come out in a frenzy of protective articles and interminably long explanations as to why their phones are just so ruddy perfect. In short, it's funny. If iPhone users were to think "They are mocking the model of phone I use, well it's only a phone and I wouldn't get upset if someone laughed at my brand of DVD player so I won't react" rather than "These people are casting doubt on my entire existence if they criticise the device I use to send texts and make phone calls", less people would line up to wind them up.

Your phone might be brilliant. It might be rubbish. It doesn't really matter. Stop taking it so personally. Apple don't care about you, you really don't need to leap to protect them.


Good point, mostly well made ;)

But let's be clear here, the rant above is more about me attacking the attitude of the attackers, rather than jumping to Apple's defence. I have no loyalty to Apple whatsoever, though I do happen to have a lot of their **** lying around.

Indeed, as Matt mentioned, I'm considering the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 as my next phone, and I very nearly chose a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 over the iPhone 5. Regardless of what phone I have, the Apple-focused negativity is just insane.

V900  Sep. 11, 2013 at 14:54

Did you just compare people who don't like Apples offerings to rampant homophobes?

What the **** is wrong with you? Don't you have an editor to stop you writing drivel like that when you've got your panties in a bunch.


Yes he did. And I'm sure a lot of homophobes will be mortified to be compared to something as pathetic and hateful as being an Android zealot.

Unless you're a homophobe however, you have nothing to complain about, so troll along now!

barrybarryk  Sep. 11, 2013 at 14:56

the rant above is more about me attacking the attitude of the attackers
Where? They weren't ranting on here so what was the point in an angry rant here? I don't care how bruised your ego is because those evil android users are ganging up on you, go to facebook with that nonsense, this is a mobile news site.

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 11, 2013 at 14:58

Good point, mostly well made ;)
Why do I never get this kind of love :(

*goes off to sulk in the corner*

Dougal1709  Sep. 11, 2013 at 14:59

I think you've kind of made the point already. Android users dig out iPhones for ony one reason, for some reason iPhone owners take criticism of their telephones like other people take criticism of their families. So mocking every iPhone that comes out causes Apple users to come out in a frenzy of protective articles and interminably long explanations as to why their phones are just so ruddy perfect. In short, it's funny. If iPhone users were to think "They are mocking the model of phone I use, well it's only a phone and I wouldn't get upset if someone laughed at my brand of DVD player so I won't react" rather than "These people are casting doubt on my entire existence if they criticise the device I use to send texts and make phone calls", less people would line up to wind them up.

Your phone might be brilliant. It might be rubbish. It doesn't really matter. Stop taking it so personally. Apple don't care about you, you really don't need to leap to protect them.


Good point, mostly well made ;)

But let's be clear here, the rant above is more about me attacking the attitude of the attackers, rather than jumping to Apple's defence. I have no loyalty to Apple whatsoever, though I do happen to have a lot of their **** lying around.

Indeed, as Matt mentioned, I'm considering the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 as my next phone, and I very nearly chose a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 over the iPhone 5. Regardless of what phone I have, the Apple-focused negativity is just insane.


I wonder how many proper Android and Apple fanboys have actually really used both operating systems. I have, there's really not as much difference as they'll have you believe. My Android phone doesn't crash any more often than my iPhone did. Once it's set up it's no more complicated to use. It doesn't have brilliant stuff like Airplay but then it does have other equally brilliant stuff like Tasker.

Anyone who is that adamant that their mobile phone ecosystem is that much better than the other is simply advertising the face that they don't really know what they're talking about.

V900  Sep. 11, 2013 at 15:09


You want to talk about innovation? Maybe Apple would do well to take a leaf out of Samsung’s book, throwing countless flavours of mud at the wall and seeing what sticks.
Remember, the whole "phablet" market came about as a result of Samsung's "mud throwing". You've said yourself that you like the Note, so obviously Samsung's methods do work (also, look at their profits; it must be a decent business model).


Ah yes, the phablet market! You should read up on it sometime! For example, how the only manufacturer to have any success in it so far, is Samsung. Indicating that it has more to do with Samsungs massive marketing than anything else, that they had some success there,

Oh, and guess how big the market is for phablets? It's less than 5 (f i v e) percent of the total smartphone market. Despite the loud claims of the Samsung sponsored bloggers that insists otherwise, there's a very good reason why Apple hasn't entered, and won't enter the phablets market. It's tiny, and not worth their time.
(And even Apple can't design their way out of the fact that you look like an idiot using them!)


How dare you give us choice, Apple. How dare you!
Apple, the same company who constantly bang on about Android's fragmentation, no? They now sell phones with the: A5, A7 and A7 (64 bit) chips. Remind me, which one are developers meant to tailor their apps to again? Hell, even Android doesn't have 32 vs 64 bit to deal with. Also, at only 40% quicker than the A6, is it really worth bothering with 64 bit for the A7? I'm sure the Snapdragon 800 and new Exynos 5 chips have very similar performance without messing around with 64 bit and its associated fragmentation issues. [/quote]

Oh for the love of god, do read up on what you're commenting on!
This has nothing to do with fragmentation, and won't affect neither developer nor user. The developer makes one program, like he always has, and leave it to XCode and the AppStore to figure out which phone needs the 32bit package and which needs the 64bit package.
You sound like you're just jealous that Apple once again has leapfrogged the competition.

Stelph  Sep. 11, 2013 at 15:15

[quote][quote]Anyone who is that adamant that their mobile phone ecosystem is that much better than the other is simply advertising the face that they don't really know what they're talking about.

Exactly, Personally iOS is best for me as it has the best app support for apps that I use mostly, I have tried switching to Android but always end up in situations where to stay with Android I have to make work arounds for things it is missing so I ended up switching back

However I have several friends who currently have iPhones that literally only use them for web surfing, texting and emails. For them I would argue iOS is not the best, they would probably be ok with a cheap Android phone

Im sure there are many people who are out there who love tweaking and adjusting things in the OS, in whcih case iOS and WP would be a big no no

Point is, there is (and never will be) one solution that is best for all, everyone is an individual and so can and should be able to make a choice depending on whats important for them, which like you say and like the theme of the article, means all flame arguments are pretty stupid really

V900  Sep. 11, 2013 at 15:19

Good comment Lewis!

Apple could put a time machine in the iphone6, and the response from haters would be "bah! It can only travel backwards in time not forwards?!? USELESS! And typical Apple trying to decide which direction in the time stream it's customers travel in!"

They deserve not our scorn though, but our pity...

They secretly lust for one, but half of them hate on new iPhones cause they can't afford one, and the other hand are scared that they'll lose their geek cred if they get one because its too popular among non-geeks.
Just like the real Emos who are mortally scared of anything too closely associated with pop culture, they're sort of the Emos of the tech world.

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 11, 2013 at 15:21

the rant above is more about me attacking the attitude of the attackers
Where? They weren't ranting on here so what was the point in an angry rant here? I don't care how bruised your ego is because those evil android users are ganging up on you, go to facebook with that nonsense, this is a mobile news site.


This is a blog. A communal forum to debate news, get and disseminate help.
Mobot is NOT Engadget, nor the Guardian.
Lewis can rant the same way you can.
If you believe in objective journalism... well, good luck.

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 11, 2013 at 15:25

Hahaha
That 64-bit criticism?! Priceless.
Apple evil cause still no NFC. Apple also evil. because they introduce 64-bit into mobile.
You realise the same kind of nonsense was written about the first 1Ghz Snapdragon phone!?

So when Apple innovate, it's too soon? LOL

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 11, 2013 at 15:28

Ah yes, the phablet market! You should read up on it sometime! For example, how the only manufacturer to have any success in it so far, is Samsung. Indicating that it has more to do with Samsungs massive marketing than anything else, that they had some success there,

Oh, and guess how big the market is for phablets? It's less than 5 (f i v e) percent of the total smartphone market. Despite the loud claims of the Samsung sponsored bloggers that insists otherwise, there's a very good reason why Apple hasn't entered, and won't enter the phablets market. It's tiny, and not worth their time.
(And even Apple can't design their way out of the fact that you look like an idiot using them!)

Only Samsung have been in the Phablet market for any length of time, hell, only Samsung have any real success with Android (bar Nexus devices).

I'd love to see your sources for your percentage figures, I hope they're reputable.

Ahh, things that aren't worth Apple's time. You mean like smaller tablets and phones with screens bigger than 3.5" ;).

Oh and as for looking like an idiot using a phablet, opinions are never a great basis for an argument.

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