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matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 19, 2012 at 01:57

I just want notifications tomorrow, that was an interesting read.

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 19, 2012 at 07:00

Interesting read indeed.
I just don't know what I have to do with it - I could never focus for that long :p
Nice find, though.
Though he's focusing on JB, a lot of it bugged me when using the HTC One devices and the SGS3. I probably said it somewhere already, but heck: when I read about Symbian being 'convoluted, bloated and full of redundancies'... well, now I can link to that article :D

Pondlife  Sep. 19, 2012 at 08:45

Much of it has never bothered me especially the icon heights bit, as long as they are clear, tbh and as the Google ones aren't ever together on mine the disparities get lost anyway. The bit about various text entry programs seemed like he'd lost his way as they have different functions why would you have just one.

Can see why he's focusing on JB saves people saying well that's fixed in JB, though think some of his point was that these were continuing through updates to the os.
Nice to see the guy responsible for tidying android respond, though dare say he wishes he didn't have to. And likely that some of it will be untouched. Maybe they need to slow the os release cycle down

As for symbian were the HP phones untimely demise and possibly belle yours would still be in the drawer. Maybe the inadequate core components have as much to do with people's seeming disregard for it as much as anything though. I know leaving the 5800 behind for a much cheaper device was an alarming improvement though. Click browser icon, wait, wait some more, signs of activity, wait, loads browser frame, wait, wait and we're there.
It's a trend that seemed to carry through to the 808 too judging from the reviews the delicious camera let down by penny pinching elsewhere, travesty to pair it with that screen for starters.
Maybe symbian on 920 hardware would've been a joy to behold, without wp though I think the latest Nokia phones might have been using low end kit still

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 19, 2012 at 09:03

The 5800 shouldn't have happened. (same goes for the 97 variants)
But newer 1gHz+ Belle devices are NOTHING like it. Nothing at all. Apply a theme or SPB and you wouldn't guess they share a 'heritage' with the 5800.

As to Android? I'm not into widgets and all that, but I do like a 'neat' homescreen, with just a few shortcuts to what I really use, and I find the inconsisten icon size at times annoying. Well, less annoying than nagging, really.
The back function and silly taskswitcher on the SGS3 was just mindboggling to me.
Here's a fantastic powerhorse full of useful and not-so useful innovation and then you get that cr*P? Apps you just minimised are oddly absent from the taskswitcher, but things you haven't used in days - or, never - are always popping up? Android devs need to borrow some N9s to study what a task-switcher should be like!

CTPAHHIK  Sep. 19, 2012 at 09:11

Good points, but I have not noticed any of this stuff until reading about it. Yes, Android is far from polished OS and iOS is much better in this regard. Does anyone care?

We have WiFi at work that requires browser based identification. When you leave iPhone idle WiFi shuts off and upon waking up you need to go through identification page again. If there is no 3G service iPhone will shut off WiFi anyways. Android has identical problem, but it can be fixed via settings or market app. How do you fix that in iOS? This what I would call a problem.

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 19, 2012 at 09:20

If there is no 3G service iPhone will shut off WiFi anyways <= huh????

Does anyone care? I do, actually. It's one of the reason I gladly forfeit access to a gazillion apps for a simpler and more consistent OS like 'MeeGo' (Maemo) or webOS or even BB. And yes, iOS.
Not you, CT, but a lot of folks praise Android for the level of personalization. Well, blimey, there is NO personalizing those bangers away. Like many Google services of the past (and present) Android feels forever Beta to me. Heaping feature upon feature while rarely going back to check on what was wrong.
I know, I know... booooh. It's my personal opinion. The taste in my mouth so to speak.

Pondlife  Sep. 19, 2012 at 09:34

The 5800 shouldn't have happened. (same goes for the 97 variants)
But newer 1gHz+ Belle devices are NOTHING like it. Nothing at all. Apply a theme or SPB and you wouldn't guess they share a 'heritage' with the 5800.

As to Android? I'm not into widgets and all that, but I do like a 'neat' homescreen, with just a few shortcuts to what I really use, and I find the inconsisten icon size at times annoying. Well, less annoying than nagging, really.
The back function and silly taskswitcher on the SGS3 was just mindboggling to me.
Here's a fantastic powerhorse full of useful and not-so useful innovation and then you get that cr*P? Apps you just minimised are oddly absent from the taskswitcher, but things you haven't used in days - or, never - are always popping up? Android devs need to borrow some N9s to study what a task-switcher should be like!


But I think far more have experience of those than the later ones and they don't forget easily, and you wouldn't have gone back to the Nokia were it not for the sim situation iirc as it was not so good when released?

Even after reading about icon size issues before it doesn't seem to register with me in use.
Maybe the ones I use regularly are similar enough. I like that some can have shape without a background too as let's more of background picture be seen.
Not experienced the S3, though not had any such issues with task-switcher on devices I've used though, only apps I've used on it and in order I used them last. Guessing that's another touchwiz improvement. :) Only thing I'd change would be not to see the widget that puts screen and device to sleep on the list.

CTPAHHIK  Sep. 19, 2012 at 10:19

If there is no 3G service iPhone will shut off WiFi anyways <= huh????

iPhone turns WiFi off when it goes to sleep and there is no way to disable that. This is a major flaw. For me this is reason enough to not buy a phone.

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 19, 2012 at 11:27

CT since iOS5 at least that shouldn't happen. The problem is usually not WiFi, but thaf a lot of apps go to sleep when the phone goes to sleep. I have downloaded big torrents and full movies on both the 4S and iPad 2 - sleepy or not.

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 19, 2012 at 11:29

Oh, and pre-iOS5 a tiny tweak fixes the issue but you need to jailbreak. Agree though: it shouldn't be like that!

CTPAHHIK  Sep. 19, 2012 at 11:33

Jan, why do you always post a new comment instead of editing an existing one? I'm sure last two can be converted into single one.

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 19, 2012 at 11:39

Jan, why do you always post a new comment instead of editing an existing one? I'm sure last two can be converted into single one.
Craptastic connection... somehow it's easier to post new comment. No maliciousness intended ;)
I'll promise to better myself :)

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 19, 2012 at 11:48

The different sized icons annoy me, I've had to rearrange my home screen due to it just not looking right, on more than one occasion. I think the different sized icons were the problem.

The Market scrolling back to the top of a list is annoying too, though I'm not a big app downloader so it doesn't affect me too much.

Everything else he said he said is true, but has never bothered me/affected me. The back button, for example, is broken but I've learnt what it does for each app just through using Android for a long time. Everything else I've never experienced (though I did have a play and he's right about everything).

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 19, 2012 at 11:51

Jan, why do you always post a new comment instead of editing an existing one? I'm sure last two can be converted into single one.
Craptastic connection... somehow it's easier to post new comment. No maliciousness intended ;)
I'll promise to better myself :)

It's easier to type a new comment than it is to reply when you're using a phone (even with a good connection). Chrome for Android has a habit of crashing when you click reply, it just freezes and then comes up with the force close options...been meaning to email Emma about it for weeks :p.

Pondlife  Sep. 19, 2012 at 12:44

CT since iOS5 at least that shouldn't happen. The problem is usually not WiFi, but thaf a lot of apps go to sleep when the phone goes to sleep. I have downloaded big torrents and full movies on both the 4S and iPad 2 - sleepy or not.

Yeah definitely doesn't happen on ipod touch now you mention it as the wifi usually is reason the thing has run out of battery, well arguably my tendency to not switch it off, was the ipad2 a 3g one.

Pondlife  Sep. 19, 2012 at 12:53

The Market scrolling back to the top of a list is annoying too, though I'm not a big app downloader so it doesn't affect me too much.

Everything else he said he said is true, but has never bothered me/affected me. The back button, for example, is broken but I've learnt what it does for each app just through using Android for a long time. Everything else I've never experienced (though I did have a play and he's right about everything).

It's easier to type a new comment than it is to reply when you're using a phone (even with a good connection). Chrome for Android has a habit of crashing when you click reply, it just freezes and then comes up with the force close options...been meaning to email Emma about it for weeks :p.


Yep the market one is a pain in the **** when going back through apps to install on a new device or new os version on same device.

Yeah I largely expect the back button to do what it does in apps, think I'd take a while to adjust to it working how they say it should. I do find myself pressing wrong button occasionally as they are in different sequence on different devices though.

Was replying and editing earlier on chrome for android and not had it crash, wasn't on a phone though

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 19, 2012 at 12:54

Jan, why do you always post a new comment instead of editing an existing one? I'm sure last two can be converted into single one.
Craptastic connection... somehow it's easier to post new comment. No maliciousness intended ;)
I'll promise to better myself :)

It's easier to type a new comment than it is to reply when you're using a phone (even with a good connection). Chrome for Android has a habit of crashing when you click reply, it just freezes and then comes up with the force close options...been meaning to email Emma about it for weeks :p.

On our Macbook at work Chrome and Mobot don't play ball at all. Can't login (the menu won't open), and notifications don't work.

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 19, 2012 at 12:56

The Market scrolling back to the top of a list is annoying too, though I'm not a big app downloader so it doesn't affect me too much.

Everything else he said he said is true, but has never bothered me/affected me. The back button, for example, is broken but I've learnt what it does for each app just through using Android for a long time. Everything else I've never experienced (though I did have a play and he's right about everything).

It's easier to type a new comment than it is to reply when you're using a phone (even with a good connection). Chrome for Android has a habit of crashing when you click reply, it just freezes and then comes up with the force close options...been meaning to email Emma about it for weeks :p.


Yep the market one is a pain in the **** when going back through apps to install on a new device or new os version on same device.

Yeah I largely expect the back button to do what it does in apps, think I'd take a while to adjust to it working how they say it should. I do find myself pressing wrong button occasionally as they are in different sequence on different devices though.

Was replying and editing earlier on chrome for android and not had it crash, wasn't on a phone though

It could be a ROM/Phone/Chrome for Android combination problem.

It's hard to narrow down what's causing it.

CTPAHHIK  Sep. 19, 2012 at 12:58

When everything else fails there is FIREFOX :p

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 19, 2012 at 13:01

When everything else fails there is FIREFOX :p
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