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Lithium shortage - REAL or Invented?

What do you good Mobotniks feel about this new scare story: Apparently we are running out of Lithium to make gadget batteries. Some articles blame the iPhone 5
for the huge pressure on the limited resource.

Certain sources claim prices have trippled etc etc....

Funnily, once you look at a different sector, cars that is, the story changes completely.
Manufacturers of E-cars claim there was absolutely no shortage of Lithium for at least another 10 years, and that in fact the oil industry was behind the shortage rumours....

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Pondlife  Aug. 6, 2012 at 14:52

Well I find it amusing that the manufacturers of ecars could make that claim anyway, as if the oil industry fears electric vehicles.
Would think the massive batteries in ipad 3 would be more responsible than iphone 5, or all the wp7 and rim phones that must have been made and never sold.

JanSt / MOD  Aug. 6, 2012 at 14:57

Well I find it amusing that the manufacturers of ecars could make that claim anyway, as if the oil industry fears electric vehicles.
Would think the massive batteries in ipad 3 would be more responsible than iphone 5, or all the wp7 and rim phones that must have been made and never sold.


True... those WP clunkers will one day save our lives :p

JanSt / MOD  Aug. 6, 2012 at 15:04

Some interesting stuff over here with regards to what's needed to make batteries...

Pondlife  Aug. 6, 2012 at 15:19

I think he went rapidly from the "There are enough batteries and battery materials to make electric vehicles for the few, the rich and the mathematically challenged" part though, which is right. The costs are far too high to make them mainstream.
Certainly suggests lithium isn't exactly in short supply as yet. Must be rather a lot in waste dumps already though

JanSt / MOD  Aug. 6, 2012 at 15:45

I think he went rapidly from the "There are enough batteries and battery materials to make electric vehicles for the few, the rich and the mathematically challenged" part though, which is right. The costs are far too high to make them mainstream.
Certainly suggests lithium isn't exactly in short supply as yet. Must be rather a lot in waste dumps already though


I guess whoever finds a cost efficient CLEAN way to recycle them, sits on an intellecrual goldmine.

Pondlife  Aug. 6, 2012 at 16:05

Given the thefts of spare tyres on certain 4x4s and even bumpers on some cars, I can easily envisage a black market in stolen electric vehicle cells.

JanSt / MOD  Aug. 6, 2012 at 16:10

Given the thefts of spare tyres on certain 4x4s and even bumpers on some cars, I can easily envisage a black market in stolen electric vehicle cells.
Wonder what it's like to suck Lithium from an EV with a little plastic hose :p

Pondlife  Aug. 6, 2012 at 16:23

Hmm. lol.
Does make me think that I've no idea where the cells are in the vehicles, but then as I'm not considering that as new career it's not so important lol. Certainly worth a few more quid than the ever popular car stereos and sat navs.

matt101101 / MOD  Aug. 6, 2012 at 16:35

Hmm. lol.
Does make me think that I've no idea where the cells are in the vehicles, but then as I'm not considering that as new career it's not so important lol. Certainly worth a few more quid than the ever popular car stereos and sat navs.

Worth more, but harder to shift. You can't exactly sell a lithium ion power plant down the nearest dodgy pub, can you :p?

Also, where the batteries are stored in these cars varies from model to model. Converts and hybrids (aka: cars with a petrol/diesel version also on sale or cars which have both electric and fossil fuel power), tend to have the batteries under the bonnet. Designated EVs (such as the Nissan Leaf), tend to have the batteries under the floor, towards to back of the vehicles, where the fuel tank would be in a "normal" car.

matt101101 / MOD  Aug. 6, 2012 at 16:47

Oh, and IMO, invented.

Pondlife  Aug. 6, 2012 at 17:12

I'd forgotten the original question and wondered what on earth that was about then lol

matt101101 / MOD  Aug. 6, 2012 at 17:31

I'd forgotten the original question and wondered what on earth that was about then lol
People will rant about any old sh*t :p.

Pondlife  Aug. 6, 2012 at 17:43

Maybe we should start hoarding batteries from our discarded electronics lol.

That said I bet the press could bring that into being just like the petrol hoarding they helped cause a couple of years ago.

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