Microsoft hits out at Google's Windows Phone cold shoulder

Microsoft hits out at Google's Windows Phone cold shoulder

Between Android's OS market share dominance and the huge array of services that are contained under the company's banner, Google is a hugely powerful force in consumer technology these days.

So it's no wonder Microsoft VP and deputy general counsel Dave Heiner is more than a little frustrated at the Big G's seeming unwillingness to develop dedicated apps for Windows Phone 8.

“We continue to be dogged by an issue we had hoped would be resolved by now: Google continues to prevent Microsoft from offering consumers a fully featured YouTube app for the Windows Phone,” Heiner lamented in a Microsoft blog post this week.

Heiner claims that Microsoft has been trying to get Google to put together a dedicated YouTube app for Windows Phone for more than two years, and is still waiting.

He said that by developing dedicated YouTube apps for both Android and iOS but not Windows Phone, Google was being anti-competitive, and should be taken to task in the light of the European Commission's high-profile antitrust investigation into the company's business practices launched two years ago.

“You might think that Google would be on its best behaviour given it’s under the bright lights of regulatory scrutiny on two continents, particularly as it seeks to assure antitrust enforcers in the US and Europe that it can be trusted on the basis of non-binding assurances that it will not abuse its market position further.

“Hopefully, Google will wake up to a New Year with a resolution to change its ways and start to conform with the antitrust laws. If not, then 2013 hopefully will be the year when antitrust enforcers display the resolve that Google continues to lack.”

Fighting words indeed, but then again if there's one company that knows all about antitrust issues it's Microsoft.

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JanSt / MOD  Jan. 3, 2013 at 17:40

Wait... Microsoft - owner of Skype - couldnt be arsed to rush Skype for WP; Opera - leading mobile browser devs - can't be bothered with a WP version because, well, there just aren't enough potential users... but Google must drop everything? For a platform that is, according to Elop, "kept in strategic short supply"?
hahahahaha

Pondlife  Jan. 3, 2013 at 17:52

So I can expect Microsoft to start releasing PlayStation games. Halo on ps4 and wii u eh?

Pondlife  Jan. 3, 2013 at 17:55

Besides they are behind bb in the running for support anyway surely.
Why not get on apples back for their apps? Maybe wp8 could have apple maps ;)

matt101101 / MOD  Jan. 3, 2013 at 18:04

Hahahaha.....since when was not developing an app an "antitrust" issue? Google would have a more than valid argument that it's simply not economically viable to develop and maintain a WP app due to WP's low market share.

barrybarryk  Jan. 3, 2013 at 19:41

Um I'm pretty sure they weren't talking about making Google develop an application for Windows Phone but ranting about them actively blocking access to the YouTube API on Windows Phone devices so no one can write a fully featured youtube application for the platform

Pondlife  Jan. 3, 2013 at 20:02

Is that the same ms that won't let other browsers use the APIs that internet explorer does on w8 then?

barrybarryk  Jan. 3, 2013 at 20:25

Yes though only on Windows RT, though they have a fairly sensible reason for it. It's a native ARM application for the desktop. They don't let anyone develop anything for the desktop so the only software users can change comes through the store and are all WinRT / metro 'apps'

JanSt / MOD  Jan. 3, 2013 at 20:27

Um I'm pretty sure they weren't talking about making Google develop an application for Windows Phone but ranting about them actively blocking access to the YouTube API on Windows Phone devices so no one can write a fully featured youtube application for the platform
Interesting if true... I shall dig a bit ;) Thanks

Pondlife  Jan. 3, 2013 at 20:32

Yeah the sensible reason is they want their browser to have an edge.

As Jan normally points out the yt apps aren't any good anyway and better to use a browser...

JanSt / MOD  Jan. 3, 2013 at 20:32

http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows-phone/21568/microsoft-google-illegally-blocks-windows-phone-8-access-youtube <= THAT... Hmmm... So, MS have no trust in Bing's video search? ;)
Google's reply:
Contrary to Microsoft’s claims, it’s easy for consumers to view YouTube videos on Windows phones. Windows phone users can access all the features of YouTube through our HTML5-based mobile website, including viewing high-quality video streams, finding favorite videos, seeing video ratings, and searching for video categories. In fact, we’ve worked with Microsoft for several years to help build a great YouTube experience on Windows phones.

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/microsoft-google-deliberately-ruining-youtube-windows-phone-1C7805924

Seriously, Bing's video search finds pretty much ALL online video, including Youtube's. They should be able to appify that somehow?

barrybarryk  Jan. 3, 2013 at 20:41

Google has enabled its own Android phones to access YouTube so that users can search for video categories, find favorites, see ratings, and so forth in the rich user interfaces offered by those phones. It’s done the same thing for the iPhones offered by Apple, which doesn’t offer a competing search service.

Unfortunately, Google has refused to allow Microsoft’s new Windows Phones to access this YouTube metadata in the same way that Android phones and iPhones do. As a result, Microsoft’s YouTube “app” on Windows Phones is basically just a browser displaying YouTube’s mobile Web site, without the rich functionality offered on competing phones. Microsoft is ready to release a high quality YouTube app for Windows Phone. We just need permission to access YouTube in the way that other phones already do, permission Google has refused to provide.
That's pretty much the crux of the argument from the technet article. It's more about access to the web API (which is cross platform by design anyway) so native Windows Phone apps can't funnel the data and basically restricts any YouTube app on the platform to either solely using the mobile site or resorting to dodgy text parsing.

Pondlife  Jan. 3, 2013 at 20:55

It doesn't say why they should provide it though.

barrybarryk  Jan. 3, 2013 at 21:02

because they already do provide it (MS don't need a specific Windows Phone only version of it) they just haven't been given permission to use it. With it people could make FAR, FAR better YouTube applications than using the fairly basic mobile site. Such as a metro styled one that actually fits in with the OS and uses tiles etc, until Google do allow it that can't happen. And the mobile site is rubbish

This public argument is just MS acknowledging that YouTube is rubbish on WP and passing the blame on to Google, It'll probably be resolved in a few weeks

Pondlife  Jan. 3, 2013 at 21:12

Seeing as Jan's link suggests issue is same from 2011 so don't see why it would change any time soon.
The apple version of yt app was rubbish too for years possibly for the same reasons until google made their own.

Tbh youtube itself is pretty rubbish anyway, mobile site, apps, web site...

Pondlife  Jan. 3, 2013 at 21:16

To me it's like arguing for better access to channel 5's original uk output...

Vic20  Jan. 3, 2013 at 21:28

I'm sure Microsoft are hard at work supporting my request to run MS Word on my Commodore 64.

JanSt / MOD  Jan. 3, 2013 at 21:30

To me it's like arguing for better access to channel 5's original uk output...

hahahahahahaha Yes, I find the latest overhaul of YT stupid. Keep it simple. Google's basic "Video search" is much faster without all the flim flam... Heck, Bing's video search is faster.

Pondlife  Jan. 3, 2013 at 22:05

In the clear in the US it seems on those anti-trust arguments so seems badly timed maybe...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20899032

Bobby121  Jan. 3, 2013 at 22:06

Hahahaha.....since when was not developing an app an "antitrust" issue? Google would have a more than valid argument that it's simply not economically viable to develop and maintain a WP app due to WP's low market share.

Microsoft are NOT asking Google to develop an app for Windows Phone, they are asking for permission to release an app they have built themselves.

Bobby121  Jan. 3, 2013 at 22:07

So I can expect Microsoft to start releasing PlayStation games. Halo on ps4 and wii u eh?

Providing Sony agree to produce games for Xbox... then it'd be fair.

Bobby121  Jan. 3, 2013 at 22:07

Besides they are behind bb in the running for support anyway surely.
Why not get on apples back for their apps? Maybe wp8 could have apple maps ;)


Microsoft are not asking anyone to develop apps, they are simply asking for permission to a 'service'.

App does NOT = Service.

Bobby121  Jan. 3, 2013 at 22:09

Is that the same ms that won't let other browsers use the APIs that internet explorer does on w8 then?

Again... Internet Explorer is NOT a service - They are FREE to develop METRO apps like all the others - NO exception for anyone.

Pondlife  Jan. 3, 2013 at 22:51

Is that the same ms that won't let other browsers use the APIs that internet explorer does on w8 then?

Again... Internet Explorer is NOT a service - They are FREE to develop METRO apps like all the others - NO exception for anyone.


No exception except for their own browser. Level the field and make it metro too? Nope as it'll be rubbish too

Pondlife  Jan. 3, 2013 at 22:52

Besides they are behind bb in the running for support anyway surely.
Why not get on apples back for their apps? Maybe wp8 could have apple maps ;)


Microsoft are not asking anyone to develop apps, they are simply asking for permission to a 'service'.

App does NOT = Service.


But why should they provide the service?

mightyforest  Jan. 3, 2013 at 23:01

well supertube on windows phone is once again working...but for how long?..

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