Microsoft Surface owners like the Surface – that’s the important thing

Microsoft Surface owners like the Surface – that’s the important thingMicrosoft Surface naysayers, if such people exist (ahem), might criticise the fact that M$ has merely irked Windows 8 tablet OEMs while selling just three units (give or take).

Earlier this week we heard that Microsoft actually feels “very good” about its creation, and Panos Panay, general manager of the Surface team, echoes those sentiments.

Panos has been talking with The Verge, taking the publication through the history of the Microsoft Surface, from concept to reality.

There are a few vaguely interesting titbits, such as the notion that the Microsoft Surface existed in concept before the iPad was launched, alongside a handful of abandoned colours, and, er, bits of string and stuff.

More interesting, for my money, is Panos’ take on the Microsoft Surface’s position in the tablet market, and the abundant criticism levelled at the device.

Panos muses: "The people that aren't using the products certainly have opinions, but the people using them love them and I think that's what's most important to us right now."

He concludes: "I think things just keep getting better, just hopefully what you'd expect from us."

Seems like a nice chap. I almost feel kinda sorry for him, till I realise he probably earns around 800 times what I do. Gah.

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Pondlife  Mar. 13, 2013 at 18:04

Many of the HD-DVD owners liked that too

JanSt / MOD  Mar. 13, 2013 at 18:05

What can he say?
But yeah, if you like it, good.

matt101101 / MOD  Mar. 14, 2013 at 00:08

Many of the HD-DVD owners liked that too
Lol :p

nickkelly  Mar. 14, 2013 at 00:26

LOL. That's probably because 99% of the owners got them free from their employer, Microsoft.

Some people even liked Vista.

JanSt / MOD  Mar. 14, 2013 at 00:51

good point(s)

B1zarr0Prim3  Mar. 14, 2013 at 08:44

Many of the HD-DVD owners liked that too

I still own a HD-DVD drive.
I've got a small collection of movies that I just don't see the point in buying again.

Stelph  Mar. 14, 2013 at 09:40

Many of the HD-DVD owners liked that too

I still own a HD-DVD drive.
I've got a small collection of movies that I just don't see the point in buying again.


Ditto, my Xbox 360 drive and films that cost me about 50p each hae pride of place round at mine

That being said I dont think it was that profitable for Microsoft/the companies that made the disks....

Pondlife  Mar. 14, 2013 at 10:48

Yeah I got the drive for £17 so I didn't have to put movie rentals in the actual xbox drive.
But fair to say that it died on it's **** just like surface is.

B1zarr0Prim3  Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:15

Yeah I got the drive for £17 so I didn't have to put movie rentals in the actual xbox drive.
But fair to say that it died on it's **** just like surface is.


Mine has had a copy of TMNT inside it for over a year.
It gets watched a few times a week as my 2yr old daughter is a fan.

Stelph  Mar. 14, 2013 at 12:44

Yup ive got that film! :)

Pondlife  Mar. 14, 2013 at 12:57

LOL. That's probably because 99% of the owners got them free from their employer, Microsoft.

Some people even liked Vista.


By the time 7 was launched I think there wasn't all that much wrong with vista, certainly ran fine on my gaming pc. The minimum and recommended specs weren't high enough though and that's part of the reason it wasn't liked at launch, too many low spec computers straining.

Archduke Franz  Mar. 14, 2013 at 13:08

Mine has a light leak from the side of the screen towards the centre of it. Do you think I have grounds for a replacement, or even better, refund?

CharlesClarke  Mar. 14, 2013 at 17:34

Surface is extremely popular and a much better alternative to iPad. We finally have electronic paper. Thats the big key. writing notes with a pen and OCR them. Done. The OEMs are always slow. That was the failure of Windows Phone 6 which was a better product than iPhone (even the version 5). The OEMs didn't think smart phones had a market, so they didn't produce a device. Well, when Windows 8 came to it, Microsoft was worried the OEMs wouldn't back the tablet market, so they did it themselves. And between you and me, its a blessing to the world! Today, I have solid arguments that Bing has out googled Google, Xbox has finally out kinected PS and Nintendo, and turned Steve Job's Apple more revulting than his a$$hole. 2013 is Microsoft's year.

CharlesClarke  Mar. 14, 2013 at 17:37

PS - How many HD DVD players compared to blurays are out there? Many many more HDDVD players! Because XBOX is a HDDVD player. Just because Sony has ties with Hollywood, doesn't mean squat.

JanSt / MOD  Mar. 14, 2013 at 17:54

Surface is extremely popular and a much better alternative to iPad. We finally have electronic paper. Thats the big key. writing notes with a pen and OCR them. Done. The OEMs are always slow. That was the failure of Windows Phone 6 which was a better product than iPhone (even the version 5). The OEMs didn't think smart phones had a market, so they didn't produce a device. Well, when Windows 8 came to it, Microsoft was worried the OEMs wouldn't back the tablet market, so they did it themselves. And between you and me, its a blessing to the world! Today, I have solid arguments that Bing has out googled Google, Xbox has finally out kinected PS and Nintendo, and turned Steve Job's Apple more revulting than his a$$hole. 2013 is Microsoft's year.

You are kidding, right???

extremely popular and a much better alternative to iPad They sold in months a fraction of what Apple ship on the launch weekend.

We finally have electronic paper. Thats the big key. writing notes with a pen and OCR them.
Have you ever used an iPad? You can handwrite and "OCR" on them. Not to mention you can also do it on Android tablets. If OCR'ed notes are so important, why not a much cheaper Galaxy Note 10.1? That converts your notes while you write them - much better than after-the-fact OCR!

2013 is Microsoft's year As in "pumping more money into Elop's hands than Nokia makes in profits? As to failing to update a couple of million WP devices to WP 7.8?

CharlesClarke  Mar. 14, 2013 at 18:34

Surface is extremely popular and a much better alternative to iPad. We finally have electronic paper. Thats the big key. writing notes with a pen and OCR them. Done. The OEMs are always slow. That was the failure of Windows Phone 6 which was a better product than iPhone (even the version 5). The OEMs didn't think smart phones had a market, so they didn't produce a device. Well, when Windows 8 came to it, Microsoft was worried the OEMs wouldn't back the tablet market, so they did it themselves. And between you and me, its a blessing to the world! Today, I have solid arguments that Bing has out googled Google, Xbox has finally out kinected PS and Nintendo, and turned Steve Job's Apple more revulting than his a$$hole. 2013 is Microsoft's year.

You are kidding, right???

extremely popular and a much better alternative to iPad They sold in months a fraction of what Apple ship on the launch weekend.

We finally have electronic paper. Thats the big key. writing notes with a pen and OCR them.
Have you ever used an iPad? You can handwrite and "OCR" on them. Not to mention you can also do it on Android tablets. If OCR'ed notes are so important, why not a much cheaper Galaxy Note 10.1? That converts your notes while you write them - much better than after-the-fact OCR!

2013 is Microsoft's year As in "pumping more money into Elop's hands than Nokia makes in profits? As to failing to update a couple of million WP devices to WP 7.8?



Man, you are misguided. digitizer pen, not stylus... You can't write with a stylus. Its ridiculous. digitizer pen comes with the Surface Pro. I had it for the Samsung Series 7 last year, and upgraded to the consumer preview of Windows 8. Bing has toppled Google. Look at Unique Users per month in March 2013. average time on site is 3 minutes versus 14 minutes which is why people say market share is still in favour of Google, but thats stupid talk. This means Bing is 4 times more efficient than Google. Bing is winning in US and China. India is for the birds.

Its sounds like you are still a fruit that worships Steve Job's Apple (hold tongue while saying). You probably own an Aphone. Oh? where's the i do you ask? Its in the A-hole. Grow up. Apple beating Microsoft to market by providing a stripped down gadget OS does not make it better. Its crap. Steve Job's Apple (hold tongue while saying) oozes crap.

JanSt / MOD  Mar. 14, 2013 at 19:03

Surface is extremely popular and a much better alternative to iPad. We finally have electronic paper. Thats the big key. writing notes with a pen and OCR them. Done. The OEMs are always slow. That was the failure of Windows Phone 6 which was a better product than iPhone (even the version 5). The OEMs didn't think smart phones had a market, so they didn't produce a device. Well, when Windows 8 came to it, Microsoft was worried the OEMs wouldn't back the tablet market, so they did it themselves. And between you and me, its a blessing to the world! Today, I have solid arguments that Bing has out googled Google, Xbox has finally out kinected PS and Nintendo, and turned Steve Job's Apple more revulting than his a$$hole. 2013 is Microsoft's year.

You are kidding, right???

extremely popular and a much better alternative to iPad They sold in months a fraction of what Apple ship on the launch weekend.

We finally have electronic paper. Thats the big key. writing notes with a pen and OCR them.
Have you ever used an iPad? You can handwrite and "OCR" on them. Not to mention you can also do it on Android tablets. If OCR'ed notes are so important, why not a much cheaper Galaxy Note 10.1? That converts your notes while you write them - much better than after-the-fact OCR!

2013 is Microsoft's year As in "pumping more money into Elop's hands than Nokia makes in profits? As to failing to update a couple of million WP devices to WP 7.8?



Man, you are misguided. digitizer pen, not stylus... You can't write with a stylus. Its ridiculous. digitizer pen comes with the Surface Pro. I had it for the Samsung Series 7 last year, and upgraded to the consumer preview of Windows 8. Bing has toppled Google. Look at Unique Users per month in March 2013. average time on site is 3 minutes versus 14 minutes which is why people say market share is still in favour of Google, but thats stupid talk. This means Bing is 4 times more efficient than Google. Bing is winning in US and China. India is for the birds.

Its sounds like you are still a fruit that worships Steve Job's Apple (hold tongue while saying). You probably own an Aphone. Oh? where's the i do you ask? Its in the A-hole. Grow up. Apple beating Microsoft to market by providing a stripped down gadget OS does not make it better. Its crap. Steve Job's Apple (hold tongue while saying) oozes crap.


Oh, you crack me up. No, I own no iPhone - I have a pen*s - look it up. There, Is that your level of debate? I bet your mother has a big butt... more crack than in Harlem?! Better?
Go back to the P*rnhub watercooler where you and your gutter-mouth rule ever after.

Come back when you can behave and not skip any points that don't suit your "mind"!

CharlesClarke  Mar. 14, 2013 at 19:57

Surface is extremely popular and a much better alternative to iPad. We finally have electronic paper. Thats the big key. writing notes with a pen and OCR them. Done. The OEMs are always slow. That was the failure of Windows Phone 6 which was a better product than iPhone (even the version 5). The OEMs didn't think smart phones had a market, so they didn't produce a device. Well, when Windows 8 came to it, Microsoft was worried the OEMs wouldn't back the tablet market, so they did it themselves. And between you and me, its a blessing to the world! Today, I have solid arguments that Bing has out googled Google, Xbox has finally out kinected PS and Nintendo, and turned Steve Job's Apple more revulting than his a$$hole. 2013 is Microsoft's year.

You are kidding, right???

extremely popular and a much better alternative to iPad They sold in months a fraction of what Apple ship on the launch weekend.

We finally have electronic paper. Thats the big key. writing notes with a pen and OCR them.
Have you ever used an iPad? You can handwrite and "OCR" on them. Not to mention you can also do it on Android tablets. If OCR'ed notes are so important, why not a much cheaper Galaxy Note 10.1? That converts your notes while you write them - much better than after-the-fact OCR!

2013 is Microsoft's year As in "pumping more money into Elop's hands than Nokia makes in profits? As to failing to update a couple of million WP devices to WP 7.8?



Man, you are misguided. digitizer pen, not stylus... You can't write with a stylus. Its ridiculous. digitizer pen comes with the Surface Pro. I had it for the Samsung Series 7 last year, and upgraded to the consumer preview of Windows 8. Bing has toppled Google. Look at Unique Users per month in March 2013. average time on site is 3 minutes versus 14 minutes which is why people say market share is still in favour of Google, but thats stupid talk. This means Bing is 4 times more efficient than Google. Bing is winning in US and China. India is for the birds.

Its sounds like you are still a fruit that worships Steve Job's Apple (hold tongue while saying). You probably own an Aphone. Oh? where's the i do you ask? Its in the A-hole. Grow up. Apple beating Microsoft to market by providing a stripped down gadget OS does not make it better. Its crap. Steve Job's Apple (hold tongue while saying) oozes crap.


Oh, you crack me up. No, I own no iPhone - I have a pen*s - look it up. There, Is that your level of debate? I bet your mother has a big butt... more crack than in Harlem?! Better?
Go back to the P*rnhub watercooler where you and your gutter-mouth rule ever after.

Come back when you can behave and not skip any points that don't suit your "mind"!


My purpose was to be humorous, so I believe I accomplished my goal. So I believe you are a Droid, which has a S pen... either way. Android devices especially sold by Samsung pay royalties to Microsoft. Since Google does not get paid for the OS but Microsoft does, that makes Android a Microsoft product. Its essentially because Google does not honor patents. So I bless the Galaxy SIII and S4 soon to be because they are Microsoft devices. :) And being clever, witty, and humorous is never a bad thing especially in the boring IT world.

Pondlife  Mar. 14, 2013 at 21:56

And being clever, witty, and humorous is never a bad thing especially in the boring IT world.

True, go on then.

Pondlife  Mar. 14, 2013 at 22:02

Mine has a light leak from the side of the screen towards the centre of it. Do you think I have grounds for a replacement, or even better, refund?

Be easier to get the replacement than the refund but given the time it's been out you should be entitled to a refund.

CharlesClarke  Mar. 14, 2013 at 22:39

Ok, I suppose. Lets move on to the Nokia Comment. Why would Microsoft fund Nokia's little pet projects and what not. Nokia pump 5 million of thier profits from the lumia line into a public projects fund. This didn't go unnoticed. Microsoft is following suit. And you know whats on the horizon as a result? Qi wireless charging at every McDonald's table in Europe. Just set your phone on the table and its charging. This is innovation. Nokia and Microsoft are leading the way. They aren't creating watches or glasses that no one will want to wear. They are laying ground work for our society to evolve. Lets not get into Google Fiber please. Although I am in Kansas City, and am fairly well stoked for it. ;) In reality, the Federal Government should be the one to take this initiative, but in reality they are probably funding a substantial portion of it through grants.

JanSt / MOD  Mar. 15, 2013 at 07:02

Charles Clarke... what can I say?
I'm not a Droid. Why does it even matter what device I am using? If an argument is valid and logical? Why does it matter? Why don't you ask if I floss? And the "i went down the a-hole" - that is what? Clever? Witty?

The entire 2nd half of your post right above mine... I do NOT at all understand. Can you rephrase? Sometimes coherent and cohesive are more important than witty and humorous.

As to Googly Glasses - oh, how I wish you were right (presuming I'm guessing correctly what you were trying to say)! But c'mon - humanity is nuts! Within weeks you will see Boots check-out staff spouting Brin's wonderbra for geeks.

Anyway. My interest in this debate is down to zero. You won. I'll retreat to become one with my humiliation.

Stelph  Mar. 15, 2013 at 10:49

Im still slightly amused that CharlesClark called JanSt an Android or iOS fan. Trying to get Jan to like a more recent phone than the N91 is like trying to get blood from a stone.

JanSt / MOD  Mar. 15, 2013 at 10:52

hahaha 's true. S60 3rd ftw

guitar1969  Mar. 15, 2013 at 18:21

It is a good device and there is a strong following Just go look over at XDA forums on all that is going on with development. Even if it flops it will still carry on with the jailbreaking going on.

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