Nokia v HTC: Windows Phone 8 infighting takes hold

Nokia v HTC: Windows Phone 8 infighting takes hold

It was bound to happen. We've already commented on the perceived similarities between the Nokia Lumia 820 and 920 Windows Phones and the HTC 8X and 8S launched yesterday.

And now Nokia has too, though in much less polite terms: product manager Chris Weber has taken to Twitter to deliver a catty put-down: “it takes more than matching colour to match the innovation of the Lumia 920.”

Weber reckons the HTC duo are little more than a tactical rebrand, even calling their arrival “good news”.

This is the same Weber who recently aimed a wizz at Samsung's chips by calling on the Koreans to “take note” of Nokia's upcoming Lumia unveiling. Clearly the new Nokia doesn't like close competition.

Ultimately, though, you have to question whether Microsoft's doesn't have a bit of explaining to do here. Since the strategic Windows Phone partnership was announced 18 months ago, no sooner is Microsoft boss Steve Ballmer heard talking up the “special relationship” with Nokia than up he pops at a Samsung or HTC event waxing lyrical about their own special place at the Windows Phone teat.

He was at it again at the HTC launch event, describing the HTC 8X (or the “Windows Phone 8X by HTC”) as a “signature” device for the platform. No wonder Nokia's back is up.

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Pondlife  Sep. 20, 2012 at 10:27

Pity they didn't copy the storage and ram sizes too.

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 20, 2012 at 10:30

It is ridiculous.
Fun potential, but fr*gging WP8 isn't even fully specced...

Stelph  Sep. 20, 2012 at 11:57

It is amusing how similar the HTC looks to the Nokia range, especially considering the other lawsuits that are going round and are based on "rounded corners" and the like. Also amusing if you call the HTC a copy and its a "signature device", does that mean WP8 proudly presents itself as a copy :p

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 20, 2012 at 22:52

It is amusing how similar the HTC looks to the Nokia range, especially considering the other lawsuits that are going round and are based on "rounded corners" and the like. Also amusing if you call the HTC a copy and its a "signature device", does that mean WP8 proudly presents itself as a copy :p

To be fair, they were likely designed at the same time. I doubt HTC copied Nokia's design seeing as Nokia's phones were only unveiled last week.

It's hardly like Apple's blatant copy of Android's notification bar, or Google's map services, is it (Jan, resist the temptation to rant... ;))?

Pondlife  Sep. 20, 2012 at 22:56

I was thinking that until I remembered that Nokia pretty much hasn't changed the design in last few years....

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 20, 2012 at 22:57

I was thinking that until I remembered that Nokia pretty much hasn't changed the design in last few years....
Fair point, the Lumia 800 & 900 do also look similar.

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 20, 2012 at 23:32

It is amusing how similar the HTC looks to the Nokia range, especially considering the other lawsuits that are going round and are based on "rounded corners" and the like. Also amusing if you call the HTC a copy and its a "signature device", does that mean WP8 proudly presents itself as a copy :p

To be fair, they were likely designed at the same time. I doubt HTC copied Nokia's design seeing as Nokia's phones were only unveiled last week.

It's hardly like Apple's blatant copy of Android's notification bar, or Google's map services, is it (Jan, resist the temptation to rant... ;))?


Hahahaha Android stole the bar from MaeMo; and without Nokia's offline maps, I doubt they'd have improved Google Maps into that direction :p Google want you ONLINE as much as possible.
As to Apple's maps... I actually appreciate a platform that is trying to shake off Google.
Stupid patent litigation aside, I don't fancy identikit services and apps on whatever device one chooses. Shazam and Soundhound survived each other, and nobody said, "hey, we have vlingo, scrap all other voice activated devs" (well, I did... I hated Vlingo, and I'd never use Siri)... But then: I'd pay extra for no GPS in my phone.

As to the HTCs - I guess they didn't copy the hardware design, but I do wonder about the colours. The Lumia 800/N9 have been around for long enough for HTC to feel inspired.
I doubt they looked at a JCB phone and the penny dropped...

lumpaywk  Sep. 21, 2012 at 08:50

I was thinking that until I remembered that Nokia pretty much hasn't changed the design in last few years....
Fair point, the Lumia 800 & 900 do also look similar.


not to mention the N9

Pondlife  Sep. 21, 2012 at 09:30

Thinking about the tear down of the iphone makes me really want to see these and the Nokias torn apart. I'd quite like to see why even comparing big HTC to small Nokia (as more similar) the Nokia is 20% heavier. Not necessarily a bad thing but is curious. Reading about the 128gb memory now in construction makes 16gb for htc flagship look even more stingy though obviously not expecting 128 yet ;)
Would prefer a mix of them tbh, still are just 1st gen wp8 I guess.

JanSt / MOD  Sep. 21, 2012 at 09:39

The 'wireless' charging panel in the back of the Lumia 920 should account for much of the extra weight. Also the cam. Plus, the fancy plastic is a tad heavier than most.

Pondlife  Sep. 21, 2012 at 09:40

The weaker spec of the 8s does make me wonder if the 900/800 could run wp8, had they been given chance. Dual core could be essential I guess.

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 21, 2012 at 09:46

The weaker spec of the 8s does make me wonder if the 900/800 could run wp8, had they been given chance. Dual core could be essential I guess.
Since the N9 can run Jelly Bean, which doesn't officially run on any single core device, especially not ones that were never designed to run Android, I think the Lumia 800 & 900 could have quite easily run WP8 (they have lower resolution screens too, which means less pixels for the GPU to push).

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 21, 2012 at 09:46

I was thinking that until I remembered that Nokia pretty much hasn't changed the design in last few years....
Fair point, the Lumia 800 & 900 do also look similar.


not to mention the N9

True, true. I'd forgotten about the N9.

lumpaywk  Sep. 21, 2012 at 09:47

The weaker spec of the 8s does make me wonder if the 900/800 could run wp8, had they been given chance. Dual core could be essential I guess.

No they don't 'need' dual core its just they will run better with it as windows 8 can utilize it really well. The reason for not upgrading the 800-900 is simple, it would cost a fortune to test upgrading a kernel on a phone like that and its not worth it esp as most extra features need hardware ie nfc higher res. Most features that don't need these will be included in the 7.8 update.

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 21, 2012 at 09:54

The weaker spec of the 8s does make me wonder if the 900/800 could run wp8, had they been given chance. Dual core could be essential I guess.

No they don't 'need' dual core its just they will run better with it as windows 8 can utilize it really well. The reason for not upgrading the 800-900 is simple, it would cost a fortune to test upgrading a kernel on a phone like that and its not worth it esp as most extra features need hardware ie nfc higher res. Most features that don't need these will be included in the 7.8 update.

That doesn't make it acceptable to just cull OS' as and when you feel like it...

Do we even know what WP7.8 will actually contain yet (bar a "new start screen" wowwww)?

lumpaywk  Sep. 21, 2012 at 09:58

The weaker spec of the 8s does make me wonder if the 900/800 could run wp8, had they been given chance. Dual core could be essential I guess.

No they don't 'need' dual core its just they will run better with it as windows 8 can utilize it really well. The reason for not upgrading the 800-900 is simple, it would cost a fortune to test upgrading a kernel on a phone like that and its not worth it esp as most extra features need hardware ie nfc higher res. Most features that don't need these will be included in the 7.8 update.

That doesn't make it acceptable to just cull OS' as and when you feel like it...

Do we even know what WP7.8 will actually contain yet (bar a "new start screen" wowwww)?


Not really culling as you see they have an update ie still supported. You bought a windows phone 7 device thast like going I bought fifa 2011 I now want fifa 2012 for free. We do know that its not just a home screen upgrade we also know that nokia is working on its own improvments as well. Its not a cull to bring out a new product would you say it was a cull on xp when they bought out vista or vista when 7 came out etc.

matt101101 / MOD  Sep. 21, 2012 at 10:07

The weaker spec of the 8s does make me wonder if the 900/800 could run wp8, had they been given chance. Dual core could be essential I guess.

No they don't 'need' dual core its just they will run better with it as windows 8 can utilize it really well. The reason for not upgrading the 800-900 is simple, it would cost a fortune to test upgrading a kernel on a phone like that and its not worth it esp as most extra features need hardware ie nfc higher res. Most features that don't need these will be included in the 7.8 update.

That doesn't make it acceptable to just cull OS' as and when you feel like it...

Do we even know what WP7.8 will actually contain yet (bar a "new start screen" wowwww)?


Not really culling as you see they have an update ie still supported. You bought a windows phone 7 device thast like going I bought fifa 2011 I now want fifa 2012 for free. We do know that its not just a home screen upgrade we also know that nokia is working on its own improvments as well. Its not a cull to bring out a new product would you say it was a cull on xp when they bought out vista or vista when 7 came out etc.

Yes, your're right, bringing out a new product isn't a cull. As for your PC OS and gaming analogy, I could upgrade my PC from Vista to 7 (not that I ever used the God-awful Vista) without buying a whole new PC and I could upgrade from Fifa '11 to Fifa '12 without buying a new Xbox or new Playstation (again, not that I would, 22 men getting sweaty whilst wearing short shorts isn't my thing).

WP7.8 is a cop-out upgrade which was necessary due to MS only letting their hardware partners use ancient parts in their devices. The Lumia 900 is 5 months old and has no proper future, WP7.8 was made to shut people up, it's simply damage control and nothing more.

Pondlife  Sep. 21, 2012 at 10:14

The weaker spec of the 8s does make me wonder if the 900/800 could run wp8, had they been given chance. Dual core could be essential I guess.
Since the N9 can run Jelly Bean, which doesn't officially run on any single core device, especially not ones that were never designed to run Android, I think the Lumia 800 & 900 could have quite easily run WP8 (they have lower resolution screens too, which means less pixels for the GPU to push).


Well they have same res screens as the 820 and 8s. There are likely to be single core jb phones though aren't there?

Nope don't know what's in 7.8 yet, but then we don't know what's in 8 really either

lumpaywk  Sep. 21, 2012 at 10:25

The weaker spec of the 8s does make me wonder if the 900/800 could run wp8, had they been given chance. Dual core could be essential I guess.
Since the N9 can run Jelly Bean, which doesn't officially run on any single core device, especially not ones that were never designed to run Android, I think the Lumia 800 & 900 could have quite easily run WP8 (they have lower resolution screens too, which means less pixels for the GPU to push).


Well they have same res screens as the 820 and 8s. There are likely to be single core jb phones though aren't there?

Nope don't know what's in 7.8 yet, but then we don't know what's in 8 really either


name me one other phone company that has changed a kernel in an upgrade to a device and i will concede you have a point. Its not a simple software upgrade. Much like the way apple has not been able to upgrade even some of its fairly new pc's to there latest os. You seem to think that its just MS being tight but the simple fact is there is no reason to upgrade the older devices the upgrade wont work even if you did because a screen wont suddenly have more pixels and you wont get nfc. Yeah the 900 came at the end of the run but before that we have had 2 years of updates my old hd7 is on the same os version as my lumia 800 can you say the same if you had ANY other phone. Even the iPhone didn't do that

Pondlife  Sep. 21, 2012 at 10:47

That's easy any one of them going from gb to ics*, always new kernel involved. That's one reason community rom makers struggle with making their own at times until official ones released
Did you miss the bit where I said the 800/900 have same screen resolution as 820 8s and hardly anyone wants nfc.
Fair enough if 800 owners seemingly don't want the seemingly possible upgrade

Or froyo to gb, or ics to jb. Playbook,

lumpaywk  Sep. 21, 2012 at 10:56

That's easy any one of them going from gb to ics*, always new kernel involved. That's one reason community rom makers struggle with making their own at times until official ones released
Did you miss the bit where I said the 800/900 have same screen resolution as 820 8s and hardly anyone wants nfc.
Fair enough if 800 owners seemingly don't want the seemingly possible upgrade

Or froyo to gb, or ics to jb. Playbook,


Your right I forgot they upgraded but hardly on the same scale they where small changes in reality in comparison but I shall bow and admit you got me there. Its not that we don't want the upgrade I just don't get why its suck a big deal when MS does something other companies do all the time without any fuss at all. Plus simple fact of the matter is just as with Android you will find windows phone users will get some hack around anyway so just go the naughty route.

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