Nokia N8 successor to be the last Symbian phone?

Nokia N8 successor to be the last Symbian phone?

Nokia may have committed its smartphone future to Windows Phone, but mindful of the huge numbers of people still using Symbian devices, it's also made it clear that the OS will only be phased out gradually over the next four years or so.

However, rumours are reaching us that Nokia may now be trying to speed things along – to the extent that the expected follow-up to the N8 cameraphone might be the last new Symbian phone ever released.

Nokia's success over the years has in no small part been built on Symbian's foundations, and Nokia has said it still expects to sell 150 million new Symbian devices during the transition to Windows Phone over the next few years.

But with the company admitting last month that Symbian sales have tapered off quicker than expected, it seems now that Nokia may have decided to fast-track the the wrapping up of its Symbian operations.

According to the Register - and confirming what we ourselves suggested back in November - we're now likely to see just one more new Symbian device hit the market: the successor to the N8 cameraphone that we've been hearing about for a few months now.

That doesn't impact on Nokia's commitment to provide updates and support via its outsourcing arrangement with Accenture – at least not directly, as it's fair to say that if new hardware dries up altogether Symbian support won't be needed particularly far into the future.

The Register doesn't name its sources – either directly or indirectly – but it's a scenario we're entirely willing to believe. Clearly Windows Phone doesn't currently give Nokia the scope for producing a specialist cameraphone on the same level as the N8, which is why it's become increasingly obvious that if a follow-up is on its way, Nokia will stick with Symbian as its OS base.

We just didn't think it would be the last of its kind.

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JanSt / MOD  Feb. 4, 2012 at 12:09

I just hope it'll have a 4in screen - the N8 was really awkward to type on, and the camera deserves that you can see the photos' full glory.

equ  Feb. 4, 2012 at 15:01

It will be a sad day if/when the last Symbion phone is made. Its was a solid OS that just needed some TLC and the modernising of the user interface that Anna and Bell updates are bringing.
Instead Elop had a "Doing a Ratner" moment and pulled the whole building down when all it needed was a new roof.

Now M$ is building a new house on the site that instead of solid foundations (core funtionality like Multitasking, small memory foot print, full bluetooth stack, USB otg and mass storage) they seem to be building a gold plated wooden shed. Looks nice but they left their solid foundations (WM6) behind somewhere else

JanSt / MOD  Feb. 4, 2012 at 15:09

yep

MakesMeAngry  Feb. 4, 2012 at 21:30

Trojan horse Elop is killing Symbian even quicker because it's still outselling WP7 by 14:1 which is utterly humiliating for M$ and he wants to continue devaluing NOKIA so M$ can buy it really cheaply.

Elop will walk away from the wreckage of NOKIA taking their amazing patent portfolio to M$ at a tiny fraction of its true worth. Tens of thousands of Europeans will lose their livelihoods and NOKIA's shareholders will get shafted in the process.

All the while the EU stands there with their tiny little limp chipolatas doing nothing to prevent it. They can endlessly debate straight bananas but when it comes to a crime that urgently requires intervention they are either impotent or blind.

Soon NOKIA will be gone and Finland will be as bankrupt as Greece.

Mark212  Feb. 4, 2012 at 21:52

Here is the end to this rumour:

“Nokia N8′s successor being the last Symbian device” is completely baseless – http://symbian-developers.net/2012/02/nokia-n8s-successor-being-the-last-symbian-device-is-completely-baseless/

Finally someone puts an end to this :/

Being a Nokia user for years, I don’t understand what people get in generating these stupid rumours

JanSt / MOD  Feb. 5, 2012 at 12:33

Trojan horse Elop is killing Symbian even quicker because it's still outselling WP7 by 14:1 which is utterly humiliating for M$ and he wants to continue devaluing NOKIA so M$ can buy it really cheaply.

Elop will walk away from the wreckage of NOKIA taking their amazing patent portfolio to M$ at a tiny fraction of its true worth. Tens of thousands of Europeans will lose their livelihoods and NOKIA's shareholders will get shafted in the process.

All the while the EU stands there with their tiny little limp chipolatas doing nothing to prevent it. They can endlessly debate straight bananas but when it comes to a crime that urgently requires intervention they are either impotent or blind.

Soon NOKIA will be gone and Finland will be as bankrupt as Greece.

Ahem, the EU can and will do something when/if MS tries to buy Nokia or its mobile division. They cannot investigate/sanction Nokia for its choice of software-partner.
The EU has rapped MS quite a few times in the past.

JanSt / MOD  Feb. 5, 2012 at 12:33

Here is the end to this rumour:

“Nokia N8′s successor being the last Symbian device” is completely baseless – http://symbian-developers.net/2012/02/nokia-n8s-successor-being-the-last-symbian-device-is-completely-baseless/

Finally someone puts an end to this :/

Being a Nokia user for years, I don’t understand what people get in generating these stupid rumours


Thanks for that :)

martinjjames / MOD  Feb. 6, 2012 at 17:01

Here is the end to this rumour:

“Nokia N8′s successor being the last Symbian device” is completely baseless – http://symbian-developers.net/2012/02/nokia-n8s-successor-being-the-last-symbian-device-is-completely-baseless/

Finally someone puts an end to this :/

Being a Nokia user for years, I don’t understand what people get in generating these stupid rumours




Here is the end to this rumour:

“Nokia N8′s successor being the last Symbian device” is completely baseless – http://symbian-developers.net/2012/02/nokia-n8s-successor-being-the-last-symbian-device-is-completely-baseless/

Finally someone puts an end to this :/

Being a Nokia user for years, I don’t understand what people get in generating these stupid rumours


Thanks for that :)



Thing is I don't see how it DOES actually put an end to it. I can understand the sentiment behind what you say, as there's been a hell of a lot of baseless rubbish written about both Nokia and Symbian over the years - and for the record, I'm also a longtime user of both :)

But let's look at the Nokia Developer Blog piece. The author seems to spend the first half of the article trying to associate this rumour with "Edlar" Murtazin's Microsoft and Samsung buyout claims in the past, only to then admit that there isn't the slightest link whatsoever between them and that Murtazin isn't actually involved in this at all.

Secondly, the links to stories about Nokia being the world's top mobile phone maker (and NOT "smartphone" maker, as written), most trusted in India and Symbian being No.1 OS are facts indeed. Nobody's claiming otherwise, but the basis of the Register claim is that Symbian sales have fallen faster than Nokia expected, something we know to be true because Nokia itself said so in the official release accompanying its most recent financial results.

Now that alone doesn't prove anything, but it does provide a logical basis for the story POSSIBLY being true, unlike the Murtazin-based rumours the Symbian blog piece is trying to associate it with.

And lastly, the fact that Carla and Donna are already in development doesn't prove anything. Surely the last 12 months has shown us that first of all, Elop doesn't believe in Symbian and will quite happily shorten its phase-out if he feels he has good reason, and second, that it's pretty unlikely that the good folk of the Symbian Developer Blog will have too much say in the matter, or even knowledge of it ahead of time. That's not meant as an insult, but let's be honest: how many of them knew they were standing on a 'burning platform' 12 months ago until Elop told them?

Maybe the Register is just making it all up, or maybe they do have someone 'in the know' (with the Reg, either could be possible). But looking at how things have been playing out over the past 18 months, I'm going to need more convincing for me to think this isn't EXACTLY the sort of move the 'new' Nokia would make.

JanSt / MOD  Feb. 6, 2012 at 17:14

Here is the end to this rumour:

“Nokia N8′s successor being the last Symbian device” is completely baseless – http://symbian-developers.net/2012/02/nokia-n8s-successor-being-the-last-symbian-device-is-completely-baseless/

Finally someone puts an end to this :/

Being a Nokia user for years, I don’t understand what people get in generating these stupid rumours




Here is the end to this rumour:

“Nokia N8′s successor being the last Symbian device” is completely baseless – http://symbian-developers.net/2012/02/nokia-n8s-successor-being-the-last-symbian-device-is-completely-baseless/

Finally someone puts an end to this :/

Being a Nokia user for years, I don’t understand what people get in generating these stupid rumours


Thanks for that :)



Thing is I don't see how it DOES actually put an end to it. I can understand the sentiment behind what you say, as there's been a hell of a lot of baseless rubbish written about both Nokia and Symbian over the years - and for the record, I'm also a longtime user of both :)

But let's look at the Nokia Developer Blog piece. The author seems to spend the first half of the article trying to associate this rumour with "Edlar" Murtazin's Microsoft and Samsung buyout claims in the past, only to then admit that there isn't the slightest link whatsoever between them and that Murtazin isn't actually involved in this at all.

Secondly, the links to stories about Nokia being the world's top mobile phone maker (and NOT "smartphone" maker, as written), most trusted in India and Symbian being No.1 OS are facts indeed. Nobody's claiming otherwise, but the basis of the Register claim is that Symbian sales have fallen faster than Nokia expected, something we know to be true because Nokia itself said so in the official release accompanying its most recent financial results.

Now that alone doesn't prove anything, but it does provide a logical basis for the story POSSIBLY being true, unlike the Murtazin-based rumours the Symbian blog piece is trying to associate it with.

And lastly, the fact that Carla and Donna are already in development doesn't prove anything. Surely the last 12 months has shown us that first of all, Elop doesn't believe in Symbian and will quite happily shorten its phase-out if he feels he has good reason, and second, that it's pretty unlikely that the good folk of the Symbian Developer Blog will have too much say in the matter, or even knowledge of it ahead of time. That's not meant as an insult, but let's be honest: how many of them knew they were standing on a 'burning platform' 12 months ago until Elop told them?

Maybe the Register is just making it all up, or maybe they do have someone 'in the know' (with the Reg, either could be possible). But looking at how things have been playing out over the past 18 months, I'm going to need more convincing for me to think this isn't EXACTLY the sort of move the 'new' Nokia would make.


Good Lord, I guess you could be right.
Though, last year The Nokia Dev Blog promised a number of "GHz+ Symbian phones" for 2012. Plural. PhoneS! I have the link somewhere...and if I hadn't just ordered an N9, I'd go and find it :p

martinjjames / MOD  Feb. 6, 2012 at 17:41

Good Lord, I guess you could be right.
Though, last year The Nokia Dev Blog promised a number of "GHz+ Symbian phones" for 2012. Plural. PhoneS! I have the link somewhere...and if I hadn't just ordered an N9, I'd go and find it :p



Just thought you'd throw that in there didn't you? :P

Personally I think the Symbian road-map gets more negotiable the higher up the Nokia food chain you go. I distinctly remember Elop saying at some point last year (could have been the Anna announcement, but I'm not sure) that Nokia will be announcing UP TO 12 new Symbian phones over the next year or so.

This, remember, from someone who over the entire process of announcing the Microsoft deal a year ago didn't ONCE say "Windows Phone 7", only "Windows Phone" (someone noticed it and so we realised Nokia WP devices would only come out when Mango was released). The point is, if he said "up to 12 devices", it was deliberate, and meant that it wasn't cast in stone that there would be as many as that.

JanSt / MOD  Feb. 7, 2012 at 13:21

Anonymousse  Feb. 13, 2012 at 10:01

I sincerely hope that it is not the last Symbian device. But if it is, I hope this not the last true "open" high-end Qt-compatible device from Nokia. WP is fine for mainstream users, but it is total crap for power-users. No flexibility, locked-down eco-system like iOS, no open filesystem etc.etc.

JanSt / MOD  Feb. 21, 2012 at 13:49

Oh, look - just a few days to MWC, and O2 just (almost) halved the price for the N8 http://www.o2online.ie/o2/shop/phones/nokia-n8-special-offer/18/ Sign of things to come? (bear in mind, the N8 is still selling well here ;) )

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