Do non-Samsung Android manufacturers make (much) money from Android?

Do non-Samsung Android manufacturers make (much) money from Android?
Just seems like Samsung Galaxy really dominates Android.

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JanSt / MOD  Jan. 6, 2013 at 12:08

Hard to say, because real sales figures are, mostly, impossible to get.
Usually the public hears about "units shipped", "activated devices" etc...
And if they mention the word "sold" it often refers to numbers of devices ordered by retailers.
Not "sold to endusers".

Example: I rarely see Sony devices here in Ireland - yet, O2 Ireland sell the entire range, and have been doing so for a good while. And some sources claim, Sony are doing quite well.

Then we get things like net analytics - companies publishing figures that describe how many pages are visited from what OS/browser. Again, not really telling us anything about individual phones or brands.
And lets be clear: ALL those analysts are selling their "ad-vice" to corporate customers. We - Joe and Jane ordinary - only get nutshell versions of those figures and analyses.
They are not charities. Their statistics are there to sell ad-"opportunities, Investment, stock poker etc etc... The 2008 crash has shown how reliable that is.

And lets see: a dozen or so iOS devices; 2 dozen WP phones; Blackberries? Not counting variants another 2 dozen models (considering old old models still in use) - on the other side there are about 1600 or so unique Android devices!!! Logic and a close look at statistics dictate that the muliti-million selling Android phones are the exception. Most devices obviously sell in the thousands (or 10s of thousands) rather than millions.

So, nope... no idea.

Example: when Elop gave that burning platform speech, condemning Symbian to the ash heaps, people got the impression (and the myth persists) Symbian(***) was losing money. It didn't. Profits had just gone up the Quarter prior to his speech. Now they sell WP handsets and according to their own figures they lose 48% per SOLD smartphone with WP! Does it mean Nokia and WP are dead? I don't know. A burning platform? No idea. But despite massive advertising campaigns and online hype and buzz, Lumias are obviously only selling when heavily discounnted - like in the case of the 800. Certainly, one can argue that it's a valid short-term strategy - getting the brand known etc etc Is it feasible and profitable in the long run? Ask HTC?

(*** re Symbian - I'm not trying to imply Symbian wasn't facing problems. But calling it "dead and obsolete" while some models were still selling rather well wasn't the wisest move while NOT having a viable alternative right there and then)

Pondlife  Jan. 6, 2013 at 13:04

If still awake after that, Jan does like a good waffle at times.
Well I think in the 3rd quarter htc made a small profit but even their turnover was less than Samsungs profit. LG mobile made a profit in 1st and 3rd quarters but a loss in q2 which outweighed those. Sony mobile making a loss, but less than it was. Huawei and Zte making profits, Huawei's increasing and ZTE going down this year.

JanSt / MOD  Jan. 6, 2013 at 13:48

I don't waffle


matt101101 / MOD  Jan. 6, 2013 at 17:26

Hard to say, but I'd guess not really, well not in comparison to Samsung, anyway. For example:

HTC messed up as soon as Google stopped holding their hand (the Desire was the last good HTC device and that was just a Nexus One with a different body and Sense UI).

Motorola refuse to acknowledge the existence of anyone outside the US (typical Americans...), therefore their international range of products and software support is absolutely abysmal.

Sony never have been on the right track, IMO. Not once have they produced an Android device I'd consider buying. They're all flawed in some way, and they spent ages about a year behind everyone else in terms of hardware.

LG can't do software or software support to save their lives. Their hardware, although good, isn't good enough to make up for their horrid software.

ZTE, Huawei etc have never produced anything high end enough to actually challenge the other, more popular Android manufacturers, well, nothing that's been released in the West, anyway.

JanSt / MOD  Jan. 6, 2013 at 18:33

PS I have to admit - that Xperia Z might be quite nice. I like the looks in the latest "leaks" - although, it IS too big. For me.


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