Are phones masts dangerous?

Is there a health risk with living near a mobile phone mast?

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matt101101 / MOD  Dec. 8, 2011 at 18:27

Basically? No, to both your question in the title and the question in your description.

It might fall over and land on you if it's windy I suppose... ;)

blizzard7  Dec. 8, 2011 at 18:34

There's no convincing evidence, but I like to keep an open mind.
Here's a good snippet from the Beeb:
"The Should I Worry About team decided to carry out a test. We put ten students in a house for ten days and erected a mobile mast in the garden. We weren't entirely honest with them though; we told the students the mast was on at the start of the experiment and off at the end. In fact it was off at the start and on at the end. What's interesting is that the only time any of the students felt ill was when the mast was OFF but they thought it was ON."

JanSt / MOD  Dec. 8, 2011 at 18:48

In 1960 (-ish) US health officials declared categorically that cigarettes are NOT harmful, and that, in their expert opinion, "it is beneficial to smoke up to a pack of 20 a day"!

So, yes, an open mind is called for, methinks ;)
Between a 25 yr old of today and his/her grandparents we are exposed to 12,000,000 times the EMR. Go figure. What role do masts play? Who knows. Do I want one? Hypocritically NOT!

matt101101 / MOD  Dec. 8, 2011 at 18:50

So, from that study the theory that it in fact doesn't affect your health in the slightest stands true? A placebo effect occurs (in some people), but no real damage is caused...

Though people's general concerns about phone masts aren't getting sick straight away, but getting cancer from prolonged exposure to the radio waves.

There's no evidence from legitimate, unbiased medical professionals which backs up the theory that phone masts cause any type of illness is humans or any other animals.

Put it this way, OP. If someone tried to the case for all phone masts to be taken down due to their apparent effects on health, to court, they wouldn't get the case through the door, never mind in front of a judge and jury.

matt101101 / MOD  Dec. 8, 2011 at 18:55

Jan, EM Radiation, yes. Ionising radiation, no. It's non-mutagenic therefore can't cause cancer, the main worry people have.

JanSt / MOD  Dec. 8, 2011 at 21:53

Matty, research the effects of EMR on the Vagus Nerve, and, in turn, research the enormous "work" that nerve performs.
I agree that research is needed, and that, as of 'now' it really looks like we may be over-cautious...but what's clear is is this: humanity, over the last 300 years has shown incredibly creative ways of f*cking itself.
And noticing too late.

matt101101 / MOD  Dec. 8, 2011 at 22:26

In other words EMR sickness. Similar symptoms to true radiation poisoning (headaches, nausea, fatigue etc...), minus death, hair loss (as cells aren't ionising), and internal (namely rectal), bleeding, again as cells aren't breaking down.

It doesn't affect all people, as true radiation poisoning does, some appear to be more susceptible than others. It also seems to be a very "american thing", it's the apparent cancer risk from the masts that's always on the news in the UK even though without ionisation from UV or higher freq. radiation there is no mutation during the cell's DNA replication, therefore no increased risk of cancer of any type.

In science and medicine's accepted view at this moment in time, the mast would be more dangerous to be near in case it fell on you that it making you sick due to the waves it emits and receives.

The matter does need more research but to answer the OP's question the best anyone can say at this time is, they're not considered a health risk by majority of the medical and science communities.

Treab  Dec. 8, 2011 at 23:28

Absolutely they are dangerous... have you ever seen one collapse and fall on someones house??? you need to watch them...

matt101101 / MOD  Dec. 8, 2011 at 23:39

The falling joke's already been done mate ;), I beat you to that one :p.

As a medical professional, can you enlighten me about this anymore than my faint memory of A-Level biology can haha :D?

Treab  Dec. 8, 2011 at 23:52

As far as im aware its under the same theory as all background radiation its the reason a person can only have x-amount of x-rays. But this is all hypothetical as the radiation emitted is actually low to none but builds up to a nice increase...

matt101101 / MOD  Dec. 9, 2011 at 00:40

But aren't xrays ionising due to their far higher frequency (and therefore far higher energy levels carried in them), than radio waves, which are the lowest frequency of all the EMR types AFAIK. Radio waves simply don't have the energy to be ionising, they can't knock the electrons off a stable atom to form the ion which is the basis for the cancer argument among radio mast haters...

Treab  Dec. 9, 2011 at 01:04

tbh. who actually knows. its one of those areas where simply put our actual knowledge is based on theory... its like when they say nothing can break the speed of light... (until its shown it can be as cern has already done..)

JanSt / MOD  Dec. 9, 2011 at 07:53

You're clearly overcompensating :p
But as Freud said, sometimes a mast is just a mast.

Treab summed it up: nobody knows! And when humanity doesn't know? Yay, let's make a) an app b ) war c) party

That's all.

matt101101 / MOD  Dec. 9, 2011 at 11:38

I'd happily have a phone mast in my garden (as long as it didn't squash my plants), imagine the HSDPA+ signal I'd get haha :D!! I wouldn't need Wi-Fi anymore ;).

JanSt / MOD  Dec. 9, 2011 at 11:52


Back on topic:

matt101101 / MOD  Dec. 9, 2011 at 16:00

I've just got back from work, that paper was more in depth than anything I've yet done today haha :p.

A few observations I made:

1) "He describes various symptoms he suffers from and
claims to be associated with wireless radiation exposures." - Claims, being the key word here, he's a mechanic not a doctor, his medical claims are worthless in the eyes of British and I would assume German, law and therefore any possible legislation changes.

2) "From a scientific perspective, the phenomenon known as
electrosensitivity is still mostly unresolved." - Further research needed, at this moment in time UTMS and other radio masts are perfectly safe.

3) "When on the highway,
he says, he can sense the transmitters as he drives by them
because his eyes start to cramp and his visual field is narrowed." - As a character reference, anyone this irresponsible has to be questioned. That's not a safe state to be in control of a vehicle (note bold text), especially as he's aware it will apparently happen to him every time he drives past one; premeditated stupidity and a total lack of common sense.

4) "According to Mr. Z, there are many cancer cases in the street
he lives and in neighboring streets. His second wife died of
lung cancer; the highest exposures were right above her bed" - This is true I'm sure, but radio waves are non-ionising and non-mutagenic, cancer simply isn't a possible side effect (as I mentioned previously). This is a simple correlation, not a proven link.

5) EMR Sickness seems to occur in a few people, true radiation poisoning affects all human beings who are tragically exposed to ionising radiation.

6) "This report describes a patient with preexisting multiple chemical sensitivity" - Obviously said patient; Mr. Z, is the exception, not the rule when it comes to EMR.

I'm bored of being a lawyer now, I want to play some Forza and wind down for the evening haha :p. I'm shocked at how intellectual this thread as managed to be though; I'm impressed with us ;).

Treab  Dec. 9, 2011 at 16:26

Of course it could be psychosomatic. The belief that they cause issues can lead to long term health issues... especially rashes etc...

and if they get cancer it 'prooves' it

matt101101 / MOD  Dec. 9, 2011 at 16:29

I was going to add "the brain controls the body and can therefore mimic the symptoms of a genuine illness", but I decided Jan would rip me apart for it as I had no evidence, so I stuck to what I could prove from the medical paper :p.

Treab  Dec. 9, 2011 at 16:34

psychosomatic is a very evidenced condition. its actually remarkable how much damaged we can do to ourselves just by thinking we're ill...

matt101101 / MOD  Dec. 9, 2011 at 16:43

I know it is, I just couldn't remember the word for it, so I couldn't Google it to find some evidence to back up what I meant haha :D.

The brain can destroy a human body over time, in the same way it can totally ignore pain in extreme circumstances to protect the same body, it's scary yet fascinating...definitely an area in which more research needs to be done (just to satisfy my interest really :p).

Treab  Dec. 9, 2011 at 16:46

so what you are saying mr lawyer is


matt101101 / MOD  Dec. 9, 2011 at 16:49

You're in a medical profession (or training to be), I'd hope you knew the word for it :p.

I exercised my skills from my profession tearing apart that medical paper, it resulted in the nigh on essay I wrote above haha ;).

In an off topic note, what the hell is it with you and cat pics :p?

JanSt / MOD  Dec. 9, 2011 at 16:50

NOW, seriously... on topic, or, ***cough*** else

Treab  Dec. 9, 2011 at 16:51

I just love roflcat pics :D dont know why its simply superb :D

my personal fave is this one however...

Treab  Dec. 9, 2011 at 16:52

we were on topic talking about psychosomatic illness's but then matt exposed a weakness and i had to jump on it...


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