JanSt

Poll type thing: Prism / NSA - are you bothered?

The NSA-Verizon story that broke thanks to The Guardian's Glenn Greenwald
seems to have gained some relevance for UK people, also => http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jun/07/uk-gathering-secret-intelligence-nsa-prism?CMP=twt_gu

If you slept in: this is what Greewald originally published yesterday:
The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April.

The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order

Q: 1) Surprised?

Q: 2) Does it bother you that some agency or ten has/have all your phone and webs activities in a nice archive?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/c438ad48cb40f145e3701ff413b7fac1/tumblr_mnz9mqji6Z1qfengno1_500.jpg

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CTPAHHIK  Jun. 19, 2013 at 17:09

Where did all replies go? Deleted by NSA?

JanSt / MOD  Jun. 19, 2013 at 19:21

Hahaha... Too many replies ;)
Interesting. Sad also. But interesting, considering what kind of comments get posted elsewhere...

JanSt / MOD  Jun. 25, 2013 at 18:02

Actually... I'm baffled... 530 views here, and NO opinion?! Aren't we the happy citizens.

matt101101 / MOD  Jun. 25, 2013 at 20:28

Actually... I'm baffled... 530 views here, and NO opinion?! Aren't we the happy citizens.
I don't agree with what they're doing, or the back doors/loopholes in existing laws which allow them to do it, but seriously, what the hell did people think the NSA and GCHQ do!?

I've just always kinda assumed that unless I'm using an encrypted VPN, whatever I'm sending over the internet could quite easily be seen by someone who knows more about computers than me...like GCHQ.

If I really want to try and hide what I'm doing on the internet, I'll give it a damn good go. The thing is, I'm really not that bothered, generally. If GCHQ want to look at what I post on here, go ahead, it's all publicly available anyway. Anything private/secret which I do on the internet I do my best to make sure it stays private and secret.

JanSt / MOD  Jun. 25, 2013 at 20:55

Actually... I'm baffled... 530 views here, and NO opinion?! Aren't we the happy citizens.
I don't agree with what they're doing, or the back doors/loopholes in existing laws which allow them to do it, but seriously, what the hell did people think the NSA and GCHQ do!?

I've just always kinda assumed that unless I'm using an encrypted VPN, whatever I'm sending over the internet could quite easily be seen by someone who knows more about computers than me...like GCHQ.

If I really want to try and hide what I'm doing on the internet, I'll give it a damn good go. The thing is, I'm really not that bothered, generally. If GCHQ want to look at what I post on here, go ahead, it's all publicly available anyway. Anything private/secret which I do on the internet I do my best to make sure it stays private and secret.


In a way I agree... I reckon even VPN are a so-so affair.
Moreover, I am not kidding when I say the following: if 'they' are after you, NOT having an online footprint will be used against you also! We see this with the attempts to force the FB passwords out of job applicants. The implication is: if you say, "sorry, I don't haz a facebook"??? You are hiding something!
Now imagine somehow you get into a dragnet??? Which is easy: you need no online action. But a friend has your contact details and DOB on his phone which s/he syncs with FB and Yahoo and Twitter and and and... from there all kinds of things can happen, and you were never even online, and your friend meant no harm - though I'd punch anyone who combines my phone number with my full name and full address and email and DOB on his or her mindlessly used device!

Anyhoo...

I'm most bothered by the complicity of corporations.

And consider this:

When Bismarck introduced social and health services a lot of folks went, YAY... you get something for nothing, and all you do is sign up. Well, there are the first big data banks.
Typically efficiently run. German. The forms also let you enter your religion. No harm, eh?

Only... a few years later a different government came into power. Yep, the good old NAZIs.
And guess how they used those perfectly harmless data banks? Right: J for Jew.

You cannot bet your life of those of your kids on an eternally benevolent government.
We tend to forget that! Do you think my grandparents voted for "War, Gestapo and Holocaust"???? No, as everyone else they voted for jobs, peace and leave me alone.

Other implications and revelations are pretty dire also: fellow
journalists like Sorkin of CNBC suggesting Glenn Greenwald oughta be arrested (though Sorkin apologised today)...

Or the media nutters and politicians in the USA who cried for the assassination of Assange.

For those of you old enough to remember Iran-Contra-Gate: Gary Webb died while Ollie North runs for senate and has a cozy media job. 'nuff said.

matt101101 / MOD  Jun. 25, 2013 at 21:23

Honestly, I think it's easiest to just live your life without worrying too much about what might or could happen. I mean, I should be able to sleep at night with my front door wide open, I can't though, it's just the (unfortunate) way the world works.

Your point about the Nazi's use of data in the 30s and 40s is a good one. Data collected innocently and with no malicious intention today, can be used for terrible, unintended things in the future. Luckily, I think the world, or at least Europe, learnt a lot from the Nazi's actions and there are, in my opinion, sufficient measures in place to effectively prevent such an atrocity ever occurring again.

I don't agree with lots of things the Govt do, this is just another one of them. The fact I know about it now, isn't going to change the way I operate online in the slightest. I'm sure GCHQ have better things to be doing with their time than looking at my boring online life haha :p.

JanSt / MOD  Jun. 25, 2013 at 23:02

They're busy tracking Treab ;)

matt101101 / MOD  Jun. 25, 2013 at 23:14

They're busy tracking Treab ;)
Some of the stuff he comes out with is enough to send even the most hardened NSA agent insane haha ;)!

JanSt / MOD  Jun. 25, 2013 at 23:17

They're busy tracking Treab ;)
Some of the stuff he comes out with is enough to send even the most hardened NSA agent insane haha ;)!


Since "Snowden" is underground, Treab's been awfully quiet here. No wifi in the Moscow transit terminal, eh?

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