Windows Phone 8 features for Windows Phone 7 handsets? Nah, too much work

Windows Phone 8 features for Windows Phone 7 handsets? Nah, too much workWhen I first spotted Pocket-lint’s URL, I thought a project called Notworth was bringing Windows Phone 8 features to existing Windows Phone 7 handsets. Rejoice, you with the shiny new Nokia Lumia 900!

Alas, the story is that it’s not worth it. Oops.

At the Windows Phone Summit, where Apollo - Windows Phone 8 - was revealed, we learned that existing Windows Phones will definitely not receive the meaty upgrade. See, the next wave of Windows Phones will have significantly loftier specs.

Instead, Windows Phone 7.5 owners will have to make do with a watered down version of Windows Phone 8 called Windows Phone 7.8. The big feature confirmed so far is, uhm, a new homescreen.

Speaking to Pocket-lint, Greg Sullivan, senior product manager for Windows Phone, explained: "Support for dual-core multi-processors, new screen resolutions, NFC, removable SD card - this awesome Lumia 900 has none of those features, so doing the work to bring those features to this phone doesn't make sense.

"Instead, what we focused on was making Windows Phone 8 fully exploit the latest generation of hardware, taking the most obvious user changes we are making and bringing that to existing devices."

Er, “doing the work… doesn’t make sense”? Somehow we doubt the Windows Phone Crew (all two of them) will be happy with that explanation, Gregory.

To be fair, what he's actually talking about is the enhanced hardware. You can hardly make the Nokia Lumia 900 dual-core and give it a microSD slot with a software update.

via: Pocket-lint

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JanSt / MOD  Jul. 4, 2012 at 16:23

Nope.
WP will have an entirely different kernel. It will be imposible to port. And MS knew it. Keep looking :p ;)

Well, okay => http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/windows-phone-7-was-doomed-by-design-microsoft-admits-50008466/

JanSt / MOD  Jul. 4, 2012 at 19:52

Seriously? Nobody? That link hides a Microsoftian admitting that M$ NEVER intended to bring Apollo to the Lumias or other current WP devices. They new from the get go that WP8 would require different hardware! Now, how many devices would they have sold had they been honest?
Greg's telling Pocket-Lint one thing and Cnet another. Or Pocket-Lint was editing with some creative pro M$ bias? Or Cnet put truth serum in Greg's Kool Aid?

bilbob  Jul. 5, 2012 at 09:36

So as a mod you have deliberately posted flame bait?

Isn't that called trolling?

And some wonder why this site is thought to be anti WP...

jaybear88  Jul. 5, 2012 at 09:56

To be fair though, even as a Mod, he has the right to be annoyed at this.

JanSt / MOD  Jul. 5, 2012 at 10:27

So as a mod you have deliberately posted flame bait?

Isn't that called trolling?

And some wonder why this site is thought to be anti WP...


A) my posts are MINE!
B ) Flame bait? A link to CNET?! 2 Interviews with the same guy with entirely different messages?!!! That deserves some attention! If that is trolling or flame-baiting, douse me
with petrol and call me pixie-belle!
C) You crack me up, really!
You add nothing to the debate re this article or the relevant link I posted. And wait, you call me a flame-baiter? Hahaha

JanSt / MOD  Jul. 5, 2012 at 10:30

And some wonder why this site is thought to be anti WP...

Hello? Did you actually read the Cnet article? Now, that should give you a heart attack if you think I was being anti-WP! You HAVE to wonder how Pocket-Lint and Cnet can report so differently. Then you might find true trolling!
Now please, add something relevant.

This site is frequented by regulars who use WP! I imagined they might be curious about Microsoft's admission to the fact that
they never intended to port WP8 to Lumia handsets - while, for quite sometime, holding out a stick and carrot, pretending that, yes, maybe, yada yada! I had a WP handset! And I would be plenty p*ssed if I had bought a Lumia 800 hoping for Apollo (Nokia and M$ tentalisingly said, "if you like the Lumia with 7.5, wait til you see Apollo"!!!).

Not flame-baiting, mate. It's called sympathising!

jaybear88  Jul. 5, 2012 at 11:55

^^ Wow.... I'm glad I was on Jans side this time:p

bilbob  Jul. 5, 2012 at 12:26

Now be fair here, don't take bits of a comment to justify the whole.
You posted a comment, with a link to prove your point, which you clearly know, rightly or wrongly, would be inflammatory to a certain section of people.
When no one bit, you came back with mock outrage and reiterated it, making more of your original point, in what could clearly be seen to be inciting people to have a go! I honestly fail to see how it could be seen as anything else? You expressed amazement that no one was ranting with you or having a go, then ranted again when someone pointed that out?!!

Mod or not, and I fully appreciate your comments are YOUR comments, but I fail to see how the way you posted, (Not WHAT, but how) could be other than trolling.
If someone else did that, then that's how I'd see it, it has nothing to do with Jan, it's to do with trolling.
I haven't read the article, as frankly it hold little interest for me, and as I said, it wasn't WHAT you posted, it was HOW.
It is perfectly possible for two sets of people to use the same words with very different meanings, you know!

And finally, yes, I did post nothing about the article, as I'm not trying to get into an argument about the article. I was posting in response to surprise at the tone of the comments from a mod, would surely be expected to maintain a certain level of behaviour, regardless of personal feelings or preferences?

bilbob  Jul. 5, 2012 at 12:27

Oh, and for the record, yes I am **** off at MS. As a WP user, and yes, a fan ( I like it, sue me) I am very disappointed that I won't be seeing WP8, but, at the same time, I'm willing to wait and see what 7.8 brings and what the future holds before tearing someone a new one in a daily mail style knee jerk response.

JanSt / MOD  Jul. 5, 2012 at 12:52

billbob,
lets meet in the middle. I WAS outraged. Nothing mock about it.
I was baiting. BECAUSE we are often accused of anti-MS bias. And here's a MS-dude confirming, at least some, suspicions, and suddenly our accusers were quiet....

That p*** me off. I own a Nokia N9, and very nearly fell for the 800! I'm glad my suspicions were correct...
and glad I had them.

I felt the odd differences were genuinely extraordinary - given that pocket-lint and cnet are fairly big places...
That is why I kept pressing for comments ;)

We don't disagree all that much.

JanSt / MOD  Jul. 5, 2012 at 13:20

PS - sorry for the patchy reply - I'm having some web outages here at the mo'...
I'll be my trolly self later, I'm sure :p

jaybear88  Jul. 5, 2012 at 14:35

I admit I only scanned the article there but.....

Did the guy not just say that they wouldn't be bothering with upgrading the os support for hardware upgrades? Because that would be an utterly pointless endeavour anyway.... As long as 7.8 gets all the software and UI upgrades (that the hardware is capable off) isn't that pretty much just as good? I could see the point in caring that it's "just" 7.8 if MS stuck to their guns with the "Windows 8" across all platforms approach that was initially suggested, but now that ARM based Windows 8 is just going to be another mobile OS anyway that advantage is gone.

JanSt / MOD  Jul. 5, 2012 at 15:16

I admit I only scanned the article there but.....

Did the guy not just say that they wouldn't be bothering with upgrading the os support for hardware upgrades? Because that would be an utterly pointless endeavour anyway.... As long as 7.8 gets all the software and UI upgrades (that the hardware is capable off) isn't that pretty much just as good? I could see the point in caring that it's "just" 7.8 if MS stuck to their guns with the "Windows 8" across all platforms approach that was initially suggested, but now that ARM based Windows 8 is just going to be another mobile OS anyway that advantage is gone.


Well, we won't know how much WP8 will be ported to current WP7 / WP7.5 devices. But the point is WP8 will be a different OS! And the other point is: IT WAS NEVER meant to be ported.
Of course, current WP7.5 devices work okay as they are, and any WP7.8 goodness can only make them better.
But I DO assume they were keeping it vague until now for a reason ;)

jaybear88  Jul. 5, 2012 at 15:35

Totally right to be frustrated as this is a very poor show on a customer relations level amongst others but in terms of real effects, there won't be much difference?

**edit** totally forgot that the apps dev'd for 8 will probably not work on 7.8!!!

JanSt / MOD  Jul. 5, 2012 at 16:58

Totally right to be frustrated as this is a very poor show on a customer relations level amongst others but in terms of real effects, there won't be much difference?

**edit** totally forgot that the apps dev'd for 8 will probably not work on 7.8!!!
No, they won't! :x

nathanpnovak  Jul. 6, 2012 at 12:46

So basically all we are not getting is the Win 8 (RT) Kernel... Which only makes a difference with next generation apps? As pointed out above the other differences are Hardware. The Cosmetic differences we will be getting in 7.8. And everybody is P.O.'d why? This is like saying I bought a Computer that ran Windows 7 but does not have a touch screen and now I am P.O.'d that Microsoft has put out Windows 8 and can't upgrade your Computer to a touch screen via the new software... We have had reports that MS would be doing a lot of the things it showed us with WP8. Screen resolution, duel core support, NFC wallet, removable media... How were these going to happen on a current WP device? If you bought the latest and greatest WP device that is what you got, The latest and greatest right NOW! You could of bought Android or iOS... and still have no clear upgrade path and have the same problem with Apps that won't work on older devices. Kick yourself if you are upset, not Microsoft. Who buys an iPhone when they know they will announce the new iPhone the next day? You should have known better!

Here is the question everyone is missing... How will we Sync WP8? Xbox Music will be replacing Zune this fall... so where is the sync program? My bet is the cloud. We already know WP8 updates will be pushed to devices over the air. And with Tablets becoming the New PC... Zune is just too memory intensive on both the RAM and ROM side, for a tablet. This is the part of the equation nobody knows, how do I sync my music pictures and videos that are now split by 3 apps on Windows 8 and how will this work on Windows 7 and MAC? How do you pull all of these in and use a tablet to do it? It can't all be cloud and it all can't be tied to physical memory. This is Microsoft's biggest secret so far and I am sure a feature WP7.X users will not see.

Chieftom  Jul. 6, 2012 at 18:01

I don't understand what all the complaining is about. The vast majority of changes in Win Phone 8 are to take advantage of hardware that our current phones simply do not have.

It was not that it was too much work, it is that there is simply no advantage to doing the work to port Win Phone 8 to old hardware that will get no advantage from it. Its like putting Premium gas in a Sentra, yea it will work but the engine is simply not designed to take advantage of it's benifits.

JanSt / MOD  Jul. 7, 2012 at 08:59

I don't understand what all the complaining is about. The vast majority of changes in Win Phone 8 are to take advantage of hardware that our current phones simply do not have.

It was not that it was too much work, it is that there is simply no advantage to doing the work to port Win Phone 8 to old hardware that will get no advantage from it. Its like putting Premium gas in a Sentra, yea it will work but the engine is simply not designed to take advantage of it's benifits.


Who IS complaining? ;)

Well, One point is this: Nokia, Microsoft's great big Hope, were extremely wishy-washy when the Lumia range was launched. On one support forum they actually claimed WP8/Apollo could be ported to the Lumia 900. When the 800 was launched both Nokia and M$ said, oh if you like it now, wait til Apollo comes. Again: wishy-washily implying THAT handset would get Apollo in the future.
If you follow the link to CNet I posted above, you will find that at least one M$ employee involved in WP says quite clearly that THERE NEVER were any plans to bring WP9/Apollo to WP7.5 handsets!
Many many people bought a Lumia in the assumption they would get Apollo. There..If you are on an 18 months or 24 months contract such info MATTERS!
And what do you mean "only a different kernel"? WP8 apps won't be compatible with WP 7.5 devices. And the great thing, we are to believe, will be integration with Windows 8 desktop. Again: Owners of current WP devices will not experience that great feature.

To remind you: when M$ launched the GREAT Vista, they 'forgot' to include an updated Active Sync program. For quite a while Vista owners were not able to use their WinMo devices. There. M$.
I am not saying other corporations are more forthcoming with relevant info. I'm not claiming iOS or Android are more better.
But this article is about Microsoft.

jaybear88  Jul. 7, 2012 at 11:56

iOS and Android devices will not be compatible with all new apps in the future due to hardware limitations, but this means that current wp7 will not be compatible with any of new wp8 apps due to software limitations. For WP7 users with 23 months left on their contract, this is a slight issue.

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